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Crowton playcalling
Posted on 1/31/10 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 1/31/10 at 2:03 pm
Everyone seems that when he first started here we had such a great offense. The reality is that its the same offense we have now, just better more experience players at the time to manage it. I went back and watched a couple games from 2007, and our offense was just as predictable at times. I really don't expect to see a change in the LSU offense play calling if he is still calling the plays. Hopefully the players in the system will have learned it better and get some strength up on the O-Line.
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Posted on 1/31/10 at 2:32 pm to Tigercoop40
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I really don't expect to see a change in the LSU offense play calling if he is still calling the plays. Hopefully the players in the system will have learned it better and get some strength up on the O-Line.
You have a point. And the truth is that if the difference in personnel is the main reason productivitiy has declined, then it isn't at all unreasonable to expect that the offense will improve again as certain players (read qb and o-line) gain maturity in the system.
The counterpoint, of course, is that the system is no longer novel in the SEC. Defensive coordinators have had the opportunity to watch game film on it for the last three years. Every concept and system introduced by coaches may have initial success, but over time opposing coaches study them and finally find the inherent weaknesses in that system and are able to successfully counter it. This is why the game constantly evolves, which leads me to...
the wildcard: Can a couple of new sets of eyes, Billy Gonzales and Frank Wilson (but primarily Gonzales) bring some changes to the offensive philosophy (and execution... but that is almost another point entirely) that will help the Tigers become less predicable and more successful. This is the key to next year, imo. On the surface, I like these coaching changes and think they will have a positive impact. Of course, it remains to be seen and we won't know till the season is underway.
This post was edited on 1/31/10 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 1/31/10 at 2:34 pm to NicoBlues
Nope, in the beginning of Crowton here he used multiple formations and packages to get people the ball. Not so much last year.
Posted on 1/31/10 at 3:25 pm to Tigercoop40
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just better more experience players at the time to manage it
That's an obvious obervation. I think there are many Rantards that are blind. Crowton is not any worse of a coach than the year he won the NC. But most people think that team was so talented, that I blind man could have coached that team to a NC. But experience was the big difference. This falls on Miles for not have underclassmen at key spots, especially QB ready to step in.
Posted on 1/31/10 at 3:31 pm to Tigercoop40
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The reality is that its the same offense we have now, just better more experience players at the time to manage it.
Ive said this more than once.
Mediocre qb and oline = mediocre offense.
Posted on 1/31/10 at 3:38 pm to SteveLSU35
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Nope, in the beginning of Crowton here he used multiple formations and packages to get people the ball. Not so much last year.
Crowton runs the offense he believes he has the personnel to run.
Posted on 1/31/10 at 3:49 pm to Tigercoop40
Isnt Crownton the Wizard? 
Posted on 1/31/10 at 3:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Big Ben Wilkerson is coming back as a GA this year....maybe he can help with our centers and OL.
Posted on 1/31/10 at 3:57 pm to lsursb
How many of your posters have been at practices on a regular basis? I'm talking over a period of months and years, not one or two practices per season.
Posted on 1/31/10 at 3:58 pm to Tigercoop40
I don't care what school it is they all run the same plays year in and year out. They don't make up new plays every year. They change when they get new coaches.If you watch bama, florida or any team every week like you do lsu you would think the same thing about them.
Posted on 1/31/10 at 4:15 pm to lsursb
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Big Ben Wilkerson is coming back as a GA this year
best news I've heard all year.
Posted on 1/31/10 at 4:23 pm to lsursb
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Big Ben Wilkerson is coming back as a GA this year
I hadn't heard this. If true, I think this would be great. One of his biggest attributes as I remember it was that he was really savvy with understanding what defenses were doing and did a great job of calling protections. And that was definitely lacking this year.
Posted on 1/31/10 at 4:32 pm to lsursb
quote:Has this been confirmed?? If so, I agree, this is great news...
Big Ben Wilkerson is coming back as a GA this year
Posted on 1/31/10 at 6:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Crowton runs the offense he believes he has the personnel to run.
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It was obvious early this season we didn't have he personnel to run the option. It became obvious early that Crowton didn't have a clue as to how to spread the ball among the talent we had on offense.
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Crowton runs the offense he believes he has the personnel to run.
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It was obvious early this season we didn't have he personnel to run the option. It became obvious early that Crowton didn't have a clue as to how to spread the ball among the talent we had on offense.
Posted on 1/31/10 at 7:23 pm to TG
I noticed that the play calling was pretty obvious because of the multiple formations. Wrote an article on it. Seemed pretty sad if fans can call out the play by the formation, surely a DC from another school can.
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this is always a fun game to play. Add on if you know a play that is given away by the formation.
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this is always a fun game to play. Add on if you know a play that is given away by the formation.
Posted on 1/31/10 at 9:28 pm to Common sence
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I don't care what school it is they all run the same plays year in and year out.
Yes this is true, but Crowton has "special formations" that he runs certain plays with. A lot of his offense is predictable. Other teams like Florida and Alabama may be in the I-Formattion or the Spread Option, but they have multiple plays they will run out of that. So it's kinda a guess for other teams. Where as when we line up in our "formation," defenses know what we are going to run.
Posted on 1/31/10 at 9:52 pm to Tigercoop40
Gary offense was never very clever, but neither was Fish's. LSU's offense has been pretty straight forward for a very long time. The big difference between 2009 and the previous years was OL. LSU didn't seem to have any blocking.
QB's and RB's always look bad when the blocking is bad. Guys, the blocking was really bad.
QB's and RB's always look bad when the blocking is bad. Guys, the blocking was really bad.
Posted on 1/31/10 at 9:56 pm to Tigercoop40
Look at crowton's history, h has instant offensive success, then it goes downhill every year after. Defenses figure him out after just one year, he doesnt mix it up, he does the same things he always does. That does not lead to sustained success
Posted on 2/1/10 at 1:09 am to startshepard
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This season Gary perfected the art of giving away his play by his formation. Let’s go over a few of them.
1. Russell Shepard in the Wild Cat = 100% run.
Everyone was waiting all year for Shepard to fake run and throw a pass to a wide open receiver for a TD. While other teams have receivers and running backs throwing these passes, Gary refuses to let a Quarterback throw this pass.
2. I Form – Tight end in motion to the left = 100% run to the left.
This one reminds me of Super Tecmo Bowl where you had 8 plays with 2-4 formations to choose from. The computer in 1990 was smart enough to have a pass and a run option with a formation with motion so it would keep the defense guessing. Some guys would choose to switch up the playbook and leave a play exposed with only one option. If I still played that game today, I would call those guys Gary Crowton.
3. Any time we have a fullback in, especially if he is in motion, we are going to run.
We don’t run that much and when we do, not only do we give it away, but they normally even give away what side they are running to. I won’t even break down the option to the short side because it disgusts me to think about it. But running it when Jefferson has a bad ankle and also with Jarrett Lee is borderline madness.
Mix in that we just now started throwing to Tolliver in his Junior year after he was the #1 recruit in the nation as a wide out and we almost never play Randle or Shepard. I think he has done more than enough to end his stint at LSU.
Posted on 2/1/10 at 1:35 am to Peachtree Tiger
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This falls on Miles for not have underclassmen at key spots, especially QB ready to step in.
Amen!
If you are going to kick your JR starting QB off the team in the SEC, you damn well better have someone able/ready to replace him with or you gonna be in a world of hurt.
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