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Can the optimistic folks tell me why LSU will be much better

Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:00 pm
Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:00 pm
next year?

Just want to hear thoughts....

Other than replacing Crowton, Stud, etc (which is not definite).

We must replace multi-year starters on OL (with guys that weren't good enough to play much on this year's shitty OL).
We have to replace 2 best RB... & Trindon.
Replace best WR & TE.
Replace majority of starting DL on a DL that is pretty soft.
Replace a couple starting LBs.

Are we banking on JJ being that much better?

Even if coaches are replaced, will have to implement a new system....hopefully.

I just don't see LSU better talent-wise next year.
Posted by RBWilliams8
Member since Oct 2009
53918 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:01 pm to
we already have tons of unused tallent, its how les and crew decides to use it next year

im waiting to see ford!!
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12389 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:05 pm to
Not in the pollyanna group at all.
The pollyanna, live-in-a-dream-world cannot plausibly argue that we will be improved next year. Perhaps the league will be more up for grabs but we play UF and AU on the road and add the Vols next year.
We don't know what we have at linebacker. We don't know if the OL has any guys who can step up and improve. We lose 3 tailbacks plus a good possession tight end and (mostly) solid wide out in LaFell.
Posted by Cheetah Flex
Big Island, Hawaii
Member since May 2008
10578 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:07 pm to
Better defensive backfield if Jones returns(crossingfingers)plus Loston should make an impact if he plays. If our wideouts stay healthy they are two GREAT receivers to have. DL will be young but good, imo. Downs, Davenport, Edwards, Levingston, Nevis, Brockers, Montgomery, Aghayere to name some. Our linebackers will be about the same i can see Baker starting alongside Sheppard.

Jefferson should be matured and have better pocket presence, and it helps to have big Joe Barksdale back. Ridley can be a strong back, very quick. Ford will get a lot of reps imo. Peterson is a very good receiver/te..don't know about a blocking TE though..Shepard will probably be better/utilized in a better way(provided we have half a brain at OC).

I'm not really that worried about next year, honestly. We have some tough games at home, only two away(UF, Arky). I think we'll beat WVU, NC, Tennessee, MSU..Bama will be a tough, tough test at home. 11-2?

Im just predicting more stability next year. I think Chavis, despite his defense giving up some big plays this year, is a HUGE upgrade from the malleveto disaster and he is actually a good DC with the right players.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
60679 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:09 pm to
We will have MORE experience on O line next year...not less.

Toliver/Randle will be better or equal to Lafell/Toliver

Ridley is every bit as good as what we are replacing, Shepard is better than Trindon. Ford and Calhoun will have a chance to shine.

Peterson will adequately replace Dickson.

D Line will be better.

LB crew with addition of Baker better.

DB's will be better.

Kicking game will be the same or better.

Aside from the stretch on RB...I believe all of that.

Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
175758 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:10 pm to
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We must replace multi-year starters on OL (with guys that weren't good enough to play much on this year's shitty OL).

They didn't play only because Les loves seniority. The O-Line will be better because of competition next season.
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We have to replace 2 best RB... & Trindon.

Ridley is a beast. Trindon won't be hard to replace on account of he didn't do anything as a running back and we'll find a punt returner.
quote:

Replace best WR & TE.

We'll be able to reload at WR and Jefferson didn't even use his TE until the last game of the season. It looks like Jefferson knows how to find his TE now and we should see more production out of that position next season.
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Replace majority of starting DL on a DL that is pretty soft.

Once again, we need to get some of these old guys out and pump new life and talent into the line, which will happen next season.
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Replace a couple starting LBs.

Chavis is a stud LB coach. I don't have much worries here.
quote:

Are we banking on JJ being that much better?

He improved every game this season. I presume that will continue.
Posted by Weaver
Madisonville, LA
Member since Nov 2005
28040 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:11 pm to
I don't think we will be any better and maybe worse. Before this year, I thought the offense had to get better because of all of the pick sixes, but we didn't. We couldn't run the ball, making us one dimensional and thus got a lot of sacks. I also thought the defense would get much better, which they did.

With all of the players we are losing, I would say we will be worse, but I can't name any leaders on this team. Maybe Charles Scott. Perhaps Shep may emerge as the QB next year and be a leader. I honestly don't know.

I also said Bama would be worse and they are just as good if not better than last year and may go undefeated again next year.
Posted by KingwoodLsuFan
Member since Aug 2008
11447 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:11 pm to
I say were better because the competition loses a ton of talent especially florida.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
86410 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:12 pm to
With the possible exception of DL, the answer is what Tigerfoot listed.
Posted by Cheetah Flex
Big Island, Hawaii
Member since May 2008
10578 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:13 pm to
quote:

Toliver/Randle will be better or equal to Lafell/Toliver


though this may come off as a homer statement, i think it is very true..lafell had so many drops it was funny..randle is very sure-handed and i'm sure after another year he'll be better. Toliver can come down with almost anything. It'll be hard to get the ball away from our wideouts
Posted by Cheetah Flex
Big Island, Hawaii
Member since May 2008
10578 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:17 pm to
quote:

I don't think we will be any better and maybe worse. Before this year, I thought the offense had to get better because of all of the pick sixes, but we didn't. We couldn't run the ball, making us one dimensional and thus got a lot of sacks. I also thought the defense would get much better, which they did.

With all of the players we are losing, I would say we will be worse, but I can't name any leaders on this team. Maybe Charles Scott. Perhaps Shep may emerge as the QB next year and be a leader. I honestly don't know.

I also said Bama would be worse and they are just as good if not better than last year and may go undefeated again next year.



Maturation of Jordan Jefferson will be the difference next year. Stability at the quarterback position is half of what this team needs to win 10+ games easy!

Shep? A wha-? A frick it..Dude, shepard is never going to be a quarterback! His arm is not near strong enough..Maybe on some trick plays,flea flickers, etc. But i do agree he'll be an essential piece to our O.He's a gamebreaker type, percy harvin type guy.

I think Ridley can be a leader. I like his passion for the game. If we get a good OC, and run the ball like we have in the past, we can be very, very good.
Posted by Geauxtiga
No man's land
Member since Jan 2008
34400 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:29 pm to
quote:

Ridley is a beast. Trindon won't be hard to replace on account of he didn't do anything as a running back and we'll find a punt returner.
Hopefully Ford will be



quote:

We'll be able to reload at WR and Jefferson didn't even use his TE until the last game of the season. It looks like Jefferson knows how to find his TE now and we should see more production out of that position next season.
I think Reuben will be REALLY REALLY good. The little I've seen of him he has really impressed me.

Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:30 pm to
quote:

His arm is not near strong enough

signed,
Pat White
(just saying)
& are you basing this on the pregame warmups?

quote:

Maturation of Jordan Jefferson will be the difference next year

respect your opinion but I'll believe it when I see it

quote:

I think Ridley can be a leader

IMO, this is extremely important. This team hasn't had true leadership in years.
And if you can tell that Ridley will be a good leader by watching him play in 3 games, you're a genius.

But that's what I asked for...the optimist's POV.
Posted by LSU GrandDad
houston, texas
Member since Jun 2009
21564 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:31 pm to
to me, the main key to our improvement next yr. rests with blocking. our OL this year had major scheme problems and only occasionally opened holes for the rb's. a brand new starting center, who had NO college football experience was a brutal experience. i think he comes back a hell of a lot better next year. but the main problems were not even picking up some rushers to block, not having enough blockers at the point of attack (whether up the middle or the perimeter) and seemingly "telegraphing" our intended play. this must be substantially fixed. we couldn't make a 3rd and one to save our arse.
Posted by Cheetah Flex
Big Island, Hawaii
Member since May 2008
10578 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:33 pm to
quote:


IMO, this is extremely important. This team hasn't had true leadership in years.
And if you can tell that Ridley will be a good leader by watching him play in 3 games, you're a genius.

But that's what I asked for...the optimist's POV.


I just think that he can be..The guy's a good back, but he can get better. Only a year will tell
Posted by AlexLSU
Member since Jan 2005
25341 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:37 pm to
quote:

Toliver/Randle will be better or equal to Lafell/Toliver


Disagree. Randle may have a ton of talent and ability, but a sophomore Randle isn't better than a senior LaFell.

quote:

Ridley is every bit as good as what we are replacing


To say that Ridley is every bit as good as Keiland, Charles, and Trindon is retarded. Completely false.

quote:

D Line will be better.


Based off of what? What is going to make it better?

quote:

LB crew with addition of Baker better


Again, completely retarded. We lose Riley, Cutrera, and Coleman, yet we're BETTER?

Posted by Number 3 is my Hero
Member since Nov 2009
4689 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:40 pm to
quote:

We will have MORE experience on O line next year...not less.


Really????

LSU returned 3 guys who had started a combined 79 Starts

Black- 13 as Freshmen, 14 as Sophomore, 13 as Junior
Hitt- 13 as Sophomore, 13 as Junior
Barksdale- 13 as Sophomore

Next year you will have
Barksdale with 26 starts
T-Bob with 13 starts
Dworacyk with 13 starts

How is that MORE experience?
Posted by Cheetah Flex
Big Island, Hawaii
Member since May 2008
10578 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:40 pm to
quote:

Randle may have a ton of talent and ability, but a sophomore Randle isn't better than a senior LaFell.


You do realize that this guy was the top ranked wideout and nearly PLAYER coming out of H/S, right? He's not just another receiver..He has great talent, and to me, will be better than LaFell NEXT YEAR..Yes bold statement, homerism,p&g glasses I BELIEVE THAT shite
Posted by BeauxSox
Winter Garden, FL
Member since Feb 2007
1617 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:43 pm to
quote:

I say were better because the competition loses a ton of talent especially florida


Addition by subtraction.

It's a sad state when we have to bank or hope our competition regresses for LSU to succeed. With the talent on this team, we should be able to compete with any teams best, home or away.

Posted by Billy Ray Valentine
Duke & Duke
Member since Sep 2007
1553 posts
Posted on 11/30/09 at 5:43 pm to
quote:

AlexLSU


See, this is more along the lines of what I am thinking....realistically.

Remember how everyone was pumping up the offense before this season..."how can you stop all the weapons?"

I just don't see the talent being better. There are reasons that starters start. Whether good or bad, we lose a bunch at key positions.
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