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Why Miles is on the hot seat
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:41 pm
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:41 pm
You can divide most coaches in SEC into 2 main categories
- 4 or more years tenure
- less than 4 years
4 or more years
Urban Meyer: 2 NCs and defending champion. Should be good enough for another 3 years till people wonder if Tebow is responsible for all of UF glory. Of course a win in the next two years may give him the tenure of Bobby Bowden.
Rich Brooks: Is getting kudos for the last three years. Considered some of the best in the program. Already has a coach in waiting. When your program is thrilled with a string of winning seasons, a few competitive games are enough to prolong a career. But retirement is imminent.
Steve Spurrier: Good for a few witticisms still. Now resting on Gator laurels. Clemson win may buy another year. Even SC expects more from Steve SUPERIOR than a third place in its division.
Mark Richt: Nine years as a head coach and reaching the '10 years is too long at one place' limit. No longer the up and comer. With plenty of new coordinators hired in the league, Richt is now an established coach. Revenge at Ga Tech buys him another year. He may bail on the program if NC is not in his horizon, before a restless program bails on him.
Bobby Johnson: constantly considered coach that did better with less. First year when Vanderbilt had to deal with high(er) expectations and fell short. May bail on program after the next successful season.
Les Miles: Does not have the luxury of being a coach at a rebuilding program. His inability to speak in crisp, clear sentences will continue to dampen perception as a coach. Needs a good year while Saban stumbles to separate himself as a coach on his own merit. May have two years to right the perception.
Coaches with 3 years or less: will get a pass and no one inherited a successful program
Nick Saban: has luxury of being a new coach of a program seeking former glory. Did see rumblings in his first year when he ended with a 5-game skid. Two consecutive 12-0 seasons have bought him enormous good will. Needs to win SEC championship now - If not, might get reputation for being tight in big games. Cannot perform any better with his own recruits, than with Shula's recruits. Anticipate weird dynamic when his own recruits cannot go 12-0. NC this year will keep him at the top of the heap.
Houston Nutt: Euphoria of a winning first season and high expectations of second season may cut short his honeymoon. Fourth season will be show-me-the-money year. Needs two good recruiting classes.
Bobby Petrino: still basking in Houston Nutt crisis. Though Arkansas went to SEC championship game in 2006 the program is now considered a rebuilding project. Should have two more years of relative calm before fans demand results. 2-4 losses will be acceptable over next two years.
Gene Chizik: was not a popular hire. Performed well in his first year. Iron bowl performance gives him credibility. Should have 3-4 years of luxury to build the program. Will suffer from Gus Malzan to x,y,z rumors till it happens.
Dan Mullen: best situation among new coaches. Won egg bowl when Ole Miss was a favorite. Should have 4-5 years to build the program.
Lane Kiffin: performed a lot better than most people expected. Did not get blown out by Florida or Bama. Had a pretty good recruiting class. That may not be such a good thing. Should hear rumblings if he does not perform well in year 3. Needs a big upset to quiet fans down each of the next two years.
Les Miles is the only coach in the list who took over a successful program. Despite a NC and better record than his predecessor, will be constantly compare to other coaches - in both style and substance. Needs one emphatic year over next two seasons or will always be mired in comparison. Performance over the last two years has only enlarged pool of comparison coaches. Pool1 (Meyer, Saban, Richt), Pool 2(Nutt, Petrino).
Saban, Spurrier, Petrino, and Kiffen claim to train players for NFL. Most have their NFL reputations sullied and may be NFL pariahs now. Though NFL inflates their resumes, they are also branded NFL rejects. None of the SEC coaches are hot NFL commodities now including Meyer. Miles needs a couple of good NFL drafts to burnish his NFL credentials. Chavis' history certainly helps Miles here.
What does Miles need to be off the hot seat?
- Saban to fail in yet another SEC championship game (not losing any at LSU will be past history)
- Meyer to not win SEC/NC without Tebow
- SEC championship game for LSU in the next two years with consistency in play
- Hope there are no surprise success stories around the league
- 4 or more years tenure
- less than 4 years
4 or more years
Urban Meyer: 2 NCs and defending champion. Should be good enough for another 3 years till people wonder if Tebow is responsible for all of UF glory. Of course a win in the next two years may give him the tenure of Bobby Bowden.
Rich Brooks: Is getting kudos for the last three years. Considered some of the best in the program. Already has a coach in waiting. When your program is thrilled with a string of winning seasons, a few competitive games are enough to prolong a career. But retirement is imminent.
Steve Spurrier: Good for a few witticisms still. Now resting on Gator laurels. Clemson win may buy another year. Even SC expects more from Steve SUPERIOR than a third place in its division.
Mark Richt: Nine years as a head coach and reaching the '10 years is too long at one place' limit. No longer the up and comer. With plenty of new coordinators hired in the league, Richt is now an established coach. Revenge at Ga Tech buys him another year. He may bail on the program if NC is not in his horizon, before a restless program bails on him.
Bobby Johnson: constantly considered coach that did better with less. First year when Vanderbilt had to deal with high(er) expectations and fell short. May bail on program after the next successful season.
Les Miles: Does not have the luxury of being a coach at a rebuilding program. His inability to speak in crisp, clear sentences will continue to dampen perception as a coach. Needs a good year while Saban stumbles to separate himself as a coach on his own merit. May have two years to right the perception.
Coaches with 3 years or less: will get a pass and no one inherited a successful program
Nick Saban: has luxury of being a new coach of a program seeking former glory. Did see rumblings in his first year when he ended with a 5-game skid. Two consecutive 12-0 seasons have bought him enormous good will. Needs to win SEC championship now - If not, might get reputation for being tight in big games. Cannot perform any better with his own recruits, than with Shula's recruits. Anticipate weird dynamic when his own recruits cannot go 12-0. NC this year will keep him at the top of the heap.
Houston Nutt: Euphoria of a winning first season and high expectations of second season may cut short his honeymoon. Fourth season will be show-me-the-money year. Needs two good recruiting classes.
Bobby Petrino: still basking in Houston Nutt crisis. Though Arkansas went to SEC championship game in 2006 the program is now considered a rebuilding project. Should have two more years of relative calm before fans demand results. 2-4 losses will be acceptable over next two years.
Gene Chizik: was not a popular hire. Performed well in his first year. Iron bowl performance gives him credibility. Should have 3-4 years of luxury to build the program. Will suffer from Gus Malzan to x,y,z rumors till it happens.
Dan Mullen: best situation among new coaches. Won egg bowl when Ole Miss was a favorite. Should have 4-5 years to build the program.
Lane Kiffin: performed a lot better than most people expected. Did not get blown out by Florida or Bama. Had a pretty good recruiting class. That may not be such a good thing. Should hear rumblings if he does not perform well in year 3. Needs a big upset to quiet fans down each of the next two years.
Les Miles is the only coach in the list who took over a successful program. Despite a NC and better record than his predecessor, will be constantly compare to other coaches - in both style and substance. Needs one emphatic year over next two seasons or will always be mired in comparison. Performance over the last two years has only enlarged pool of comparison coaches. Pool1 (Meyer, Saban, Richt), Pool 2(Nutt, Petrino).
Saban, Spurrier, Petrino, and Kiffen claim to train players for NFL. Most have their NFL reputations sullied and may be NFL pariahs now. Though NFL inflates their resumes, they are also branded NFL rejects. None of the SEC coaches are hot NFL commodities now including Meyer. Miles needs a couple of good NFL drafts to burnish his NFL credentials. Chavis' history certainly helps Miles here.
What does Miles need to be off the hot seat?
- Saban to fail in yet another SEC championship game (not losing any at LSU will be past history)
- Meyer to not win SEC/NC without Tebow
- SEC championship game for LSU in the next two years with consistency in play
- Hope there are no surprise success stories around the league
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:44 pm to YellowShoe
I didn't read your wall of text but Miles is on the hot seat because our team is 9-3 despite him being our coach, not the other way around. For you not to understand probably means you don't know much about football.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:44 pm to YellowShoe
If Bama does not win the SEC this year, the rumblings will start...
12-0 with no hardware is a bitter pill
12-0 with no hardware is a bitter pill
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:46 pm to YellowShoe
quote:
Pool1 (Meyer, Saban, Richt)
Richt took over a successful program
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:49 pm to Choctaw
Miles has been on the hot seat since the day he was hired. His arse is charcoal by now.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:49 pm to GhostofJackson
quote:
I didn't read your wall of text but Miles is on the hot seat because our team is 9-3 despite him being our coach, not the other way around. For you not to understand probably means you don't know much about football.
greater men have done better with less talent than LSU special teams have
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:50 pm to GhostofJackson
Could both of you please post your definition of "hot seat". B/c his chances of getting fired are zero this year.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:51 pm to GhostofJackson
So answer me this: If we are 9-3 DESPITE him being our coach, then who called all of the successful plays? Who called all of the unsuccessful ones? Did the players make the change in the DC situation last year? Will it be the players that fire the OC this year and who hire the next OC? Is it the players that run the practices and create their own regimens of off season workouts? Just curious, because if the players are the ones doing all of the decision making, I vote we fire them all and get some that can get us to 13-0.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:56 pm to Choctaw
quote:
Richt took over a successful program
Not sure about your definition of a successful program. Through most of the 90s Spurrier's Florida was the only successful program. Bama was an exception for a couple of years.
Goff and Donnan did not have any success against Florida. That was one of the reasons for change in coaches. Similar to Bama - that changed coaches despite a great 2005 season including a top-5 ranking and losses to Auburn.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 12:58 pm to YellowShoe
quote:
Les Miles is the only coach in the list who took over a successful program.
Silly statement.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:00 pm to Krypto
The fact of the matter is no matter who called what play, successful or not, it still falls back on the coach. It is his hire, his players, etc. I don't see Les Miles making it past a 7-5 regular season next year and for a coach to be fired after a winning season means he is on the hot seat.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:01 pm to GhostofJackson
Care to put money on that 7-5 prediction? I'm sure you could get MANY people on here to take you up on that.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:04 pm to YellowShoe
quote:This. Until Miles improves his communication skills, he will continue to be the red headed step child of the SEC. Miles has ZERO NFL or CFB programs looking at him despite a NC and 3 11 win seasons, and perhaps a 10 win season. He has no credibility in the coaching community and no vocal fanbase supporting him.
Les Miles: Does not have the luxury of being a coach at a rebuilding program. His inability to speak in crisp, clear sentences will continue to dampen perception as a coach.
He is a dead man walking, as one other poster put it. If he continues to win big at LSU he stays, if he doesn't, he gets shitcanned and ends up in the WAC or the MAC. Miles has only two directions he can go in, stay in current situation, or go down.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:04 pm to Y.A. Tittle
quote:quote:
Les Miles is the only coach in the list who took over a successful program.
Silly statement.
How would you qualify that statement? What makes you say that it is off-base?
Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:04 pm to GhostofJackson
quote:
I don't see Les Miles making it past a 7-5 regular season next year
I'd like a piece of this action
Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:06 pm to drexyl
quote:
B/c his chances of getting fired are zero this year.
this
Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:11 pm to YellowShoe
Shoe,
Great post Shoe, good insight. Unfortunatley the more you write, the more the rantards can rant, just gives them more ammo, even though some can only read 2 or 3 sentences before they post something rantarded...
Great post Shoe, good insight. Unfortunatley the more you write, the more the rantards can rant, just gives them more ammo, even though some can only read 2 or 3 sentences before they post something rantarded...

Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:19 pm to drexyl
quote:
Could both of you please post your definition of "hot seat". B/c his chances of getting fired are zero this year.
Taking extreme heat/criticism about one's job performance.
Charlie Wies has been on hot seat for a couple of years. The reason he was not fired may have to do with his contract than the desire to let him go. Hot seat may not automatically mean that coach is let go at that time. Tubberville's welcome was worn out quickly at Auburn despite his success. Length of the leash may depend on individual situation.
Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:27 pm to drexyl
quote:
Could both of you please post your definition of "hot seat". B/c his chances of getting fired are zero this year.
Coach Miles' seat is not even warm at this time much less hot.
Call me crazy, but I don't think an AD from Duke is going to be all that upset over a #14 national ranking, a shot at a 10 win season, a top 10 ranking, and a New Years Day bowl game.



Posted on 11/30/09 at 1:30 pm to YellowShoe
Doubt Les is on hot seat this year. If he struggles next year, then 2011 will be his hot seat year. Just the way it is.
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