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12 men on the field.. hold on a minute...
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:38 am
Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:38 am
isn't that a penalty nowadays whether LSU snaps the ball or NOT...
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Posted on 11/24/09 at 7:46 am to choupiquesushi
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isn't that a penalty nowadays whether LSU snaps the ball or NOT...
Penalty before the snap if the OFFENSE breaks the huddle with more than 11.
Not a penalty for the defense until the snap of the ball.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:22 am to Jimbeaux28
The offense has to snap the ball for that penalty to be called on the defense. HOWEVER, the game can't end on the penalty, so LSU would get another play even if time had expired.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:23 am to Jimbeaux28
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Penalty before the snap if the OFFENSE breaks the huddle with more than 11.
Not a penalty for the defense until the snap of the ball.
This. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if there were actually 12 men on the field or not? I haven't seen any footage that would should one way or the other.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:26 am to Tiger Voodoo
The problem is that the "last snap" didn't occur. The ball was set & time expired before the snap occurred. Ole Miss could've had 24 people on the field and it wouldn't have mattered.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:27 am to Come2Conquer
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:28 am to Tiger Voodoo
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This. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if there were actually 12 men on the field or not? I haven't seen any footage that would should one way or the other.
no just 11....
and if the ball is SNAPPED on the ready for play whistle..... it is a play...
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:33 am to Tiger Voodoo
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This. Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if there were actually 12 men on the field or not? I haven't seen any footage that would should one way or the other.
nah .. miles was just covering his arse .. he concocted that shite all day sunday ..
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:34 am to choupiquesushi
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no just 11....
How do you know this? I haven't seen any footage. Link?
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:34 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:I read a transcript of Les presser and he said that originally we thought they had 12, but they actually had subbed someone out... (no link sorry)
His rationale was that his offenses at N.D. have improved steadily up to this year and that defense was N.D.'s biggest problem. I tend to agree with what he said that Weiss is still one of the best offensive coaches around.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:34 am to choupiquesushi
This is such BS. Who the hell really thinks they are going to get this call in the SEC at Ole Miss with 1 second left in the game?
And even if it is true, that's our game plan? Hoping we get a penalty? That's what $4M a year gets us? Hoping we can catch the other team in a screw up?
And even if it is true, that's our game plan? Hoping we get a penalty? That's what $4M a year gets us? Hoping we can catch the other team in a screw up?
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:41 am to The Gunslinger
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The problem is that the "last snap" didn't occur. The ball was set & time expired before the snap occurred. Ole Miss could've had 24 people on the field and it wouldn't have mattered.
Then all of this discussion about the stupidity of trying to spike the ball and whether Miles made that call is moot. Even if the kicking team had been run on the field and lined up before the ball was set, they couldn't have snapped the ball before time expired either.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:44 am to Ignatius J. Reilly
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Even if the kicking team had been run on the field and lined up before the ball was set, they couldn't have snapped the ball before time expired either.
Not true. My point is that what DID happen was that LSU didn't snap the ball before time naturally expired due to it restarting after the 1st down reset.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:45 am to Ignatius J. Reilly
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Even if the kicking team had been run on the field and lined up before the ball was set, they couldn't have snapped the ball before time expired either.
You've been in a cave for three days
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:46 am to Come2Conquer
no link but counted them on replay.... only 11...
IF LSU WAS READY AND LINED UP THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN THE PLAY OFF - SNAP ON WHISTLE.... takes less than a second to snap a ball.. but..
we weren't ready
IF LSU WAS READY AND LINED UP THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN THE PLAY OFF - SNAP ON WHISTLE.... takes less than a second to snap a ball.. but..
we weren't ready
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:51 am to choupiquesushi
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IF LSU WAS READY AND LINED UP THEY COULD HAVE GOTTEN THE PLAY OFF - SNAP ON WHISTLE.... takes less than a second to snap a ball.. but.. we weren't ready
So it was Jefferson's fault, not the play call?
Posted on 11/24/09 at 9:56 am to Ignatius J. Reilly
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So it was Jefferson's fault, not the play call?
Nope, the 19 year old player was looking at his idiot coaches 3 or 4 times saying, "Are you sure you want me to spike this?" Go back and watch the video, JJ kept looking back to the sideline trying to figure out what they wanted him to do.
As for the original idiotic excuse made by Miles, I'm pretty sure you can run a regular pass play to the endzone, and IF they have 12 men on the field, the penalty would still apply. It isn't any quicker to snap for a spike than to snap for a fade pass.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 10:03 am to Choupique19
Just to clarify, 12 men on the defense can and should be called prior to the snap for a 5-yd substitution infraction. If the officials let the play go, and then flag it it turns into a 15-yd illegal participation penalty. However, I don't blame them for not calling it in this situation. The last thing an official wants to do is to be involved in the outcome of the game.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 10:04 am to Choupique19
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Nope, the 19 year old player was looking at his idiot coaches 3 or 4 times saying, "Are you sure you want me to spike this?" Go back and watch the video, JJ kept looking back to the sideline trying to figure out what they wanted him to do.
This.
Miles needs to man up and take complete responsibility. Miles said he had a want for the players to cll the timeout. If this is the case, he is not earning his $3M+ salary
Posted on 11/24/09 at 10:04 am to duboisd
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Just to clarify, 12 men on the defense can and should be called prior to the snap for a 5-yd substitution infraction.
Are you sure? I thought the defense could only be flagged for that post-snap?
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