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Cocaine Cowboys (spoilers)
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:14 pm
Posted on 11/22/09 at 1:14 pm
I finally got to see this last night. As an avid viewer of documentaries, I have to say, I was pretty disappointed.
The movie started out OK by focusing on Roberts and Munday. The music was a little overbearing in the background the entire time, but whatever. Surprisingly, I found the subject matter only somewhat interesting. Seemed like pretty run-of-the-mill tales of drug-running.
Then, in the middle of the film, they switched the focus to the hit man and the crazy bitch (Griselda Blanco). And all they really did was start letting the hit man tell gruesome, street-level tales about hits that really weren't that relevant to the movie overall. It felt very gratuitous and lazy.
But my biggest complaint about the movie was its lack of intellectual rigor. They basically left their subjects to tell wild tales, and they didn't seem to do much due diligence to confirm them. For example, towards the end, several of the subjects just casually asserted that all the drug money was THE reason for Miami's growth into a major city. Sorry, not buying it counselor. In another section, it was asserted that an ENTIRE incoming police academy class either went to jail or was killed. Sorry, I call bullshite.
In the end, the film did a terrible job of telling the story, it focused on one psychopath and her contract killer and it didn't appear to do much primary research other than digging up archival footage which was often pieces from commentators of the time basically starting the urban legends that the film was repeating.
Very disappointing.
The movie started out OK by focusing on Roberts and Munday. The music was a little overbearing in the background the entire time, but whatever. Surprisingly, I found the subject matter only somewhat interesting. Seemed like pretty run-of-the-mill tales of drug-running.
Then, in the middle of the film, they switched the focus to the hit man and the crazy bitch (Griselda Blanco). And all they really did was start letting the hit man tell gruesome, street-level tales about hits that really weren't that relevant to the movie overall. It felt very gratuitous and lazy.
But my biggest complaint about the movie was its lack of intellectual rigor. They basically left their subjects to tell wild tales, and they didn't seem to do much due diligence to confirm them. For example, towards the end, several of the subjects just casually asserted that all the drug money was THE reason for Miami's growth into a major city. Sorry, not buying it counselor. In another section, it was asserted that an ENTIRE incoming police academy class either went to jail or was killed. Sorry, I call bullshite.
In the end, the film did a terrible job of telling the story, it focused on one psychopath and her contract killer and it didn't appear to do much primary research other than digging up archival footage which was often pieces from commentators of the time basically starting the urban legends that the film was repeating.
Very disappointing.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:46 pm to Tiger JJ
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I have to say, I was pretty disappointed.
shocking
Posted on 11/22/09 at 3:58 pm to Lester Earl
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Very disappointing.
You stayed a virgin through HS.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 4:21 pm to LSU Coyote
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You stayed a virgin through HS.
Posted on 11/22/09 at 4:22 pm to LSU Coyote
I like the way people are entirely unwilling to respond to specific points about the movie rather than resorting to low-level personal attacks. How stupid of me to forget that the formula for watching movies was supposed to be this:
Open eyes
receive input
like it no matter what
Open eyes
receive input
like it no matter what
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 1:04 am
Posted on 11/22/09 at 5:29 pm to Tiger JJ
I stopped it about half way through. Mildly interesting.
(Who knew that drug dealers made a lot of money?)
(Who knew that drug dealers made a lot of money?)
Posted on 11/23/09 at 1:04 am to Fewer Kilometers
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I stopped it about half way through. Mildly interesting.
(Who knew that drug dealers made a lot of money?)
Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:17 am to Tiger JJ
I think the movie did what it intended to do. It was a hit down in Miami with the "streets." It basically glorified scum, and down here people love that shite. Part 2 was worse, with the drug dealer Cosby basically bragging for 2 hours about himself. It was aimed at Scarface lovers.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 1:27 pm to Enrique
That's the general impression I got from the YouTube clips I saw. It's interesting to see that because most documentaries aren't aimed at that demographic obviously, but this seemed to do well at the box office.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 1:43 pm to Tiger JJ
quote:While I don't disagree with your take on this one, your reputation precedes you here.
I like the way people are entirely unwilling to respond to specific points about the movie rather than resorting to low-level personal attacks.
You are mostly a Debbie-Downer, movie snob.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 1:53 pm to lpd1975
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While I don't disagree with your take on this one, your reputation precedes you here.
You are mostly a Debbie-Downer, movie snob.
You're a victim of an urban legend. I don't think that view is even marginally defensible, as there are many many many movies and shows that I comment favorably on. If you just look at documentaries, for example, I love them, and my reviews are overwhelmingly to the positive side on them. That's exactly why this movie was disappointing to me.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 6:26 pm to Tiger JJ
Cocaine Cowboys is easily one of my favorite documentaries. A great deal of the research that they put into the documentary was inspired from the Max Mermelstein book "The Man Who Made it Snow."
Movie Board thread on the Book
Supposedly Mark Wahlberg and Leonardo DiCaprio are going to star in the film adaptation of Cocaine Cowboys (Leo as Munday).
Movie Board thread on the Book
Supposedly Mark Wahlberg and Leonardo DiCaprio are going to star in the film adaptation of Cocaine Cowboys (Leo as Munday).
Posted on 11/23/09 at 7:17 pm to Afreaux
I went back and saw your thread but decided to start this one instead of bumping it. Seems to me like Mermelstein is a dubious source to begin with - at the very least, there has to be a lot of bias in his book.
Again, it really seemed as if they relied on these scumbags to write history for them.
Again, it really seemed as if they relied on these scumbags to write history for them.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 8:11 pm to Tiger JJ
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Seems to me like Mermelstein is a dubious source to begin with - at the very least, there has to be a lot of bias in his book.
One thing that can't be argued is that Mermelstein has a massive ego. But when you've got four guys that did time providing the exact same details (Jon, Mickey, Rivi, Max), much of which law enforcement agents seem to agree with, there has to be something there.
There's also some self-aggrandizing going on with the documentary as well. Rivi, who is undoubtedly a badass, claiming that he was the best hitman to work U.S. soil (yet blew up a guy's house with no one home, and put a slug in a baby boy instead of the intended target).
The ultimate litmus test was to pass the movie on to a guy that was a dealer in Miami during the Cocaine Cowboy era, a friend living in NOLA that did hard time for smuggling. He had shared a number of stories with me, and until the documentary came out, it was hard for me to fully believe how seedy Miami could be in those days. He said the documentary was right on the money, and was blown away to be reminded of events (shootings and such) that he remembered taking place.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 8:38 pm to Afreaux
Yeah, I didn't know what to make of that Rivi character. I thought the person that seemed like a super-competent badass was Munday.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 8:57 pm to Tiger JJ
Mickey Munday was obviously a sharp guy.
Despite the whole killer for hire thing, Rivi seemed fairly charismatic, and per the director's commentary, had a knack for remember every little detail about an occurrence.
The stories Max tells about Rafa in his book are insane, and would explain the guy's actions. Rafa and his buddies would buy dozens of cartons of cigarettes, hollow them out on a table, and then refill them with tobacco mixed with coke. Then they'd sit around smoking "bazookas" and rolling them nonstop for no less than 24 hours straight. One of Rafa's kids literally went blind from exposure to the smoke.
Despite the whole killer for hire thing, Rivi seemed fairly charismatic, and per the director's commentary, had a knack for remember every little detail about an occurrence.
The stories Max tells about Rafa in his book are insane, and would explain the guy's actions. Rafa and his buddies would buy dozens of cartons of cigarettes, hollow them out on a table, and then refill them with tobacco mixed with coke. Then they'd sit around smoking "bazookas" and rolling them nonstop for no less than 24 hours straight. One of Rafa's kids literally went blind from exposure to the smoke.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 12:44 am to Afreaux
In the movie, Rafa was kind of shadowy and obscure. I barely even remember him.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:03 am to Tiger JJ
Rafa was an integral part of the Colombian cocaine machine, the documentary really doesn't highlight him because he was coked out of his mind all the time.
I have Cocaine Cowboys 2 on DVD, but it's not remotely as interesting. Still a good watch if you're interested in Griselda Blanco, though, and great visual effects.
I have Cocaine Cowboys 2 on DVD, but it's not remotely as interesting. Still a good watch if you're interested in Griselda Blanco, though, and great visual effects.
Posted on 11/24/09 at 1:41 am to Afreaux
welcome back......whatever happened to griselda? im guessing she got slaughtered - heard she went back to Colombia but wasn't really heard from.
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