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Legit, In-depth analysis of Miles as a Coach

Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:35 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:35 am
this is essentially a vision quest attempting to find all of the positives (if they exist) about Miles by going over every major area of a CFB coach and discussing miles within each category

let's go over the major areas that a CFB coach has to run: recruiting, hiring coaches, game management, game preparation, raising money, and being the public face of the program, and i put it in that order

i'll rank them out of 10

1. recruiting/development: 6.0

les is EXTREMELY overrated as a recruiter unless you believe recruiting services are the bible (which is hilarious, b/c everytime miles recruits a 2-star, who later gets the LSU bump, our fans say "i trust da hat" and laugh at the services).

our DL and OL are almost all miles' recruits. our OL and DL are horrible. OL is a talent issue, and DL seems to be a development issue. other than black, would you say that any of our current 5 OL look to be drafted right now? our OL had 4/5 returning starters last year and didn't live up to hype against big teams. we return 3/5 this year and it's downright horrible. can't move the pile in the running game inside and our OTs are just plain bad in pass protection (which we witnessed yesterday)

the "QB gap" after RP is also pretty inexcusable, as well as the very slow development of JJ and the lack of any development of Lee

the only DB who has lived up to his hype is PP (which is insane considering the hype he had to live up to). hawkins is just a guy. jai is a total bust who hasn't lived up close to the #1 CB ranking he had on Scout. Chad Jones is a COMPLETE bust. he's slow, goes for the big hit, and is often out of position.

our skill position guys on offense have panned out about 50%, but the guys who have panned out are explosive

our LBs aren't great recruits and are playing at their recruiting rankings (other than sheppard)

2. hiring coaches: 3.0

les brought porter over from OSU, and while porter isn't a good coach, he's an amazing recruiter. that's a win

DJ Mccarthy was a solid recruiting option to replace monken, however he's a horrible coach and needs to learn how to follow rules better. he's getting fired this year

stud: huge and utter failure

crowton: failure. did well when he used jimbo's playbook, and as he's moved from jimbo's playbook, our offense has gotten worse and worse

i won't rank the current defensive coaching staff yet, as it's early and the returns have been very mixed

malleveto: F-

earl lane: good recruiter who simply refused to coach.

the last don/robinson: F------ WHAT DO THESE GUYS DO?!?!?!!?!?!?!

mile is pretty bad at hiring coaches. he was forced into hiring a DC after last year by the boosters, and he picked the conservative choice. the jury is still out on that one, but miles has a history of bad hires

3. game management: 2.0

utter failure from almost day 1

miles tried to call a timeout after an interception against UTenn in 2005. /argument

4. game preparation: 6.5

if we get time to prepare, we do well. 1 week off before AU = arse beating. 4 weeks off before miami, OSU, GTech, etc = arse beating. i respect miles' ability to use this time to prepare the team, and it shows me that his coaching staff IS capable of it

however, week-to-week prep is horrible. we rarely prepare for teams themselves, and it seems our coaches focus on motivating our players. miles wants a conservative, simple scheme on offense and defense, and that's what we get. for the most part the preparation isn't ultimately important

execution is important. we suck at execution

5. raising money: 7.0 (for now)

he hasn't ever done something as proactive as the academic building (thanks Saban), but our revenue stream seems to be pretty consistent...for now. last night's game may have ended miles' support with a bunch of our top boosters, however

6. being the public face of LSU: 5.0

his public face is that of a more dumb george bush. his comments to tracy after the game last night were mind-numbingly stupid to the point where i thought he was playing a joke on me. it was as if reality ceased, and i entered into a bad acid world where miles conroled my thoughts

HOWEVER, his private face is fine. he doesn't get involved in scandals, he's a part of the community, and he seems like an OK guy.

so basically we have a (possibly) nice guy as our coach without many other redeemable characteristics
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 11:49 am
Posted by lsuougel
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:37 am to
I think recruiting/development should be in separate categories. FWIW
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:38 am to
Good analysis. Pretty fricking accurate too.
Posted by BilJ
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:38 am to
frick
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:38 am to
you can't really separate them

recruiting sites are inconsistent with rankings and give guys bumps when they commit to big schools

it's hard to know just how talented a guy is until AFTER he leaves LSU (when he gets measured up at the combine or LSU's pro day)
Posted by Ghosttiger
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:39 am to
once I realized Slow was the author of said analysis..didn't even read.
Posted by JawjaTigah
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:40 am to
He still comes very short of creating the kind of coach and player atmosphere that LSU needs.
Posted by JawjaTigah
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:40 am to
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This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 11:41 am
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:41 am to
quote:

once I realized Slow was the author of said analysis..didn't even read.

i was actually quite fair to miles
Posted by wilceaux
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Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:41 am to
quote:

his public face is that of a more dumb george bush. his comments to tracy after the game last night were mind-numbingly stupid to the point where i thought he was playing a joke on me. it was as if reality ceased, and i entered into a bad acid world where miles conroled my thoughts




ETA: At first I thought you said cornrolled my thoughts. That would have been funnier.
This post was edited on 11/22/09 at 11:44 am
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:43 am to
quote:

game management: 2.0

utter failure from almost day 1



Could YOU do better??????
Posted by LSUzealot
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:43 am to
good analysis until you threw in the he cheated on his wife rumor. lost some credibility there
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:44 am to
quote:

Could YOU do better??????


well i wouldn't try to call a timeout after a turnover and i wouldn't do an irish jig while my team needed to get a play off to beat ole miss, so by those 2 facts alone: yes
Posted by wilceaux
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:44 am to
quote:

Could YOU do better??????


Posted by BBATiger
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:44 am to
I agree with everything you said Slo. LSU is in a tough spot. He has been getting away with it, but he is now exposed. He will never be accepted by Tiger Faithful, no matter what he does moving forward.

Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:45 am to
i said it was a rumor, and if you go to the UM boards it's often treated as more of a rumor there
Posted by MemphisJerk
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:46 am to
quote:

once I realized Slow was the author of said analysis..didn't even read.


Yet, you took the time to post in the thread. Good use of your time and effort. Thank you for your contribution!
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:46 am to
quote:

Could YOU do better??????


Dude,

My effing WIFE knew what to do yesterday. And no, I'm not joking.
Posted by lsutiger4life
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:46 am to
quote:

the "QB gap" after RP is also pretty inexcusable, as well as the very slow development of JJ and the lack of any development of Lee



i agree with most of what you said except this...... based on cfb trends miles has done better then most. example, 2007 we vaulted to the bcs title game bc he DID have a quality back up, where as oregon, wvu, and others faded when starting qb went down..... and though its bad now its not much different then oklahoma this year or nick saban in 2004......
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 11/22/09 at 11:46 am to
quote:

so by those 2 facts alone: yes


If you were the LSU coach they would be 0-11. and you know it. Its easy to talk about it but doing it is different.
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