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For the "we're poorly coached" crowd............
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:33 am
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:33 am
I want this to be a serious thread, so please, if you don't have any real input, don't reply. Thanks.
There has been a lot of talk about LSU being a "poorly coached" team. Contrary to popular belief, just because a team isn't playing well doesn't mean that the coaches aren't doing everything they should be in practice.
So my question is, what exactly do you see on the field that you think the coaches should be spending more time on in practice?
Like most people on here, I think that the play calling has been atrocious, so our approach needs to change. I put most of that on Crowton.
Other than that, I also think that the OL isn't picking up their assignments. I place the blame there on Stud and Miles, and I think they need to be all over them in practice making sure that they know what their responsibilities are on every play. I also think that could have a lot to do with Crowton calling plays that once again his players are not comfortable with.
On D, missed tackles has been the biggest problem IMO and its helped teams sustain drives against us. I guess the coaches could spend more time on tackling and wrapping up drills, but honestly the responsibility there has to fall mainly on the players not doing what they've been taught since pee-wee.
Snaps on special teams are obvious as well. Practice practice practice.
Any other suggestions on specifics that the coaches can work on in practice?
There has been a lot of talk about LSU being a "poorly coached" team. Contrary to popular belief, just because a team isn't playing well doesn't mean that the coaches aren't doing everything they should be in practice.
So my question is, what exactly do you see on the field that you think the coaches should be spending more time on in practice?
Like most people on here, I think that the play calling has been atrocious, so our approach needs to change. I put most of that on Crowton.
Other than that, I also think that the OL isn't picking up their assignments. I place the blame there on Stud and Miles, and I think they need to be all over them in practice making sure that they know what their responsibilities are on every play. I also think that could have a lot to do with Crowton calling plays that once again his players are not comfortable with.
On D, missed tackles has been the biggest problem IMO and its helped teams sustain drives against us. I guess the coaches could spend more time on tackling and wrapping up drills, but honestly the responsibility there has to fall mainly on the players not doing what they've been taught since pee-wee.
Snaps on special teams are obvious as well. Practice practice practice.
Any other suggestions on specifics that the coaches can work on in practice?
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Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:35 am to Tiger Voodoo
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if you don't have any real input, don't reply
i just bought a new pair of shoes, they're pretty freakin uncomfortable.
how long till you think they're broken in?
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:38 am to Tiger Voodoo
Most fans want to see more crossing routes and intermediate passing down the middle of the field.
What if the coaches try this in practice, but JJ has a legitimate problem with his accuracy on these routes, so in games, we see lots of passing to stationary targets.
This is just speculation on my part. He may be more than adequate, and there is another reason we avoid those routes.
If he can get 8 guys out of the box, the line won't have as many chances to look overmatched, and holes may open up. That's a lot on his shoulders.
What if the coaches try this in practice, but JJ has a legitimate problem with his accuracy on these routes, so in games, we see lots of passing to stationary targets.
This is just speculation on my part. He may be more than adequate, and there is another reason we avoid those routes.
If he can get 8 guys out of the box, the line won't have as many chances to look overmatched, and holes may open up. That's a lot on his shoulders.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:38 am to Tiger Voodoo
Chavis
Crowton
Haley
Cooper
Porter
McCarthy
Studrawa
Yanowsky
Robinson
People who keep saying this shite are idiots. That's a fricking stud of a coaching staff. They can teach a kid proper technique until they're blue in the face but they can't make Cutrera wrap up on game day. Some of it has to fall on the player's shoulders.
Crowton
Haley
Cooper
Porter
McCarthy
Studrawa
Yanowsky
Robinson
People who keep saying this shite are idiots. That's a fricking stud of a coaching staff. They can teach a kid proper technique until they're blue in the face but they can't make Cutrera wrap up on game day. Some of it has to fall on the player's shoulders.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:39 am to Tiger Voodoo
I can agree with most of the points you made.. the one that really burns me up is the poor tackling. And the playcalling is just inconsistent at times.. There have been times when I was like "Good play call Crowton" and other times when I just couldnt believe we tried to run that play.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:45 am to Tiger Voodoo
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So my question is, what exactly do you see on the field that you think the coaches should be spending more time on in practice?
I don't think practice is the major concern. My major concern is personnel. This staff has show time and again that they will absolutely take the best player off the field in favor of the "more experienced/veteran" player. I really don't care who knows what from the playbook. When someone is leading the team in rushing on the fewest carries...HE SHOULD STAY IN THE GAME!!!! I'm not just talking about Shepard either. I understand that was from the QB spot, but he should have had at least 6 more snaps in that game.
Also, if we have to kick another FG from inside the 10 b/c of piss poor playcalling, I'm going to puke.
It's time for Les and Co. to let 'em hang again. I understand he had a veteran team in 07 and trusted them to get it done, but what message is he sending to his crew now? I don't trust you guys to run/pass for 5 yards to get to the endzone so I'll play it safe and run right, run left, run middle, and kick a FG. The option from inside the 10 wasn't working last week...why did they try it more than once?
I'm sure there's a ton to work on in practice, but they need to work on in game decisions also.
This post was edited on 9/30/09 at 8:47 am
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:45 am to Tiger Voodoo
I think the problems with the playcalling is you have 2 coaches(Miles/Crowton) calling two different styles of offense. One of them has to call the plays and the other has to trust that the other is right. At least that is how it looks to me.
The offensive and defensive lines have been terrible. Starting last year, and continueing to this point in this season. We had a veteran offensive line last year and even though we ran the ball good last year, they still didn't produce well. The defensive line is not getting the kind of pressure we need or even close to what we use to get under Pelini.
So either one of two things are going on. Either the players we thought were studs coming out of high school really aren't studs, or the coaching staff is not coaching well enough to improve players technique and skills.
What do you think?
The offensive and defensive lines have been terrible. Starting last year, and continueing to this point in this season. We had a veteran offensive line last year and even though we ran the ball good last year, they still didn't produce well. The defensive line is not getting the kind of pressure we need or even close to what we use to get under Pelini.
So either one of two things are going on. Either the players we thought were studs coming out of high school really aren't studs, or the coaching staff is not coaching well enough to improve players technique and skills.
What do you think?
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:50 am to Kracka
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The defensive line is not getting the kind of pressure we need or even close to what we use to get under Pelini
I totally agree. We get little to no pressure on QB's. I partly blame the fact that took Offensive Holding off the list of penalties. At least that's how it looks to me. I understand you could probably technically call holding on every play, but from last season thru now, I've literally watched LSU Dline get dragged, held, pushed, shoved, tackled, bear hugged, face masked, clipped, etc, etc while the ref turns a blind eye. I scream when I see a jersey pulled a foot from the pads while the QB steps up and throws a 30 yd completion.
I hate to blame the refs (again) but dammit man, throw a flag and keep the Oline honest now and then.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:54 am to MightyYat
quote:Then put someone in who can
They can teach a kid proper technique until they're blue in the face but they can't make Cutrera wrap up on
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:54 am to Kracka
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The defensive line is not getting the kind of pressure we need or even close to what we use to get under Pelini.
Pelini could send one or two extra guys on the pass rush packages because he had a defensive backfield that could play reliable man-to-man defense that took away options from a quarterback. Soft zones that leave you with a 4 or 5 man rush don't present the same opportunity for penetration. It comes back to personnel.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:54 am to Kracka
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the coaching staff is not coaching well enough to improve players technique and skills.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:54 am to Kracka
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So either one of two things are going on. Either the players we thought were studs coming out of high school really aren't studs, or the coaching staff is not coaching well enough to improve players technique and skills.
What do you think?
Personally, I think several players have regressed. Black and Hitt are not playing as well this year, so I don't think that's the coaches not developing talent. I think that's more the players being put in position they aren't comfortable, or not calling plays to our players' strengths.
T-Bob is coming off of a serious injury, so that could be slowing his development. Barksdale was a stud DL out of HS, so I think he's been brought along pretty well, but he may not have been best suited as an OL in retrospect.
I actually think the DL has been playing better than most people do, especially on the interior, other than missing tackles. Alem is what he is, a pass rusher that is prone to giving up plays in the rushing game. The other end spot has been disappointing, but we are playing very young talent there, and I think the play there has improved since game 1.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:55 am to SaintLSUnAtl
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I understand you could probably technically call holding on every play, but from last season thru now, I've literally watched LSU Dline get dragged, held, pushed, shoved, tackled, bear hugged, face masked, clipped, etc, etc while the ref turns a blind eye. I scream when I see a jersey pulled a foot from the pads while the QB steps up and throws a 30 yd completion.
I agree, but here's the only problem I have with that. When we were at the peak of our defensive dominance, I guarantee that we were getting held just as much, but we were just that bad arse on defense to where even though they held, we still got through and stomped that arse. Now we can't even do that. That my friend is coaching or the players just aren't that good. I am not totally sold on which one it is though.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:58 am to MightyYat
Coach Stud is suspect, Oline has been going down the last two years plus no Jr. or SR. back-ups. Only 1 Soph that is not hurt and then all are Freshmen back-ups. Clearly shows a lack of coaching on the field plus poor recruiting. All other coaches are above average.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:58 am to Tiger Voodoo
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So my question is, what exactly do you see on the field that you think the coaches should be spending more time on in practice?
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Any other suggestions on specifics that the coaches can work on in practice?
Touche` Lester
Posted on 9/30/09 at 8:59 am to nycajun
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I partly blame the fact that took Offensive Holding off the list of penalties. At least that's how it looks to me. I understand you could probably technically call holding on every play, but from last season thru now, I've literally watched LSU Dline get dragged, held, pushed, shoved, tackled, bear hugged, face masked, clipped, etc, etc while the ref turns a blind eye. I scream when I see a jersey pulled a foot from the pads while the QB steps up and throws a 30 yd completion.
I hate to blame the refs (again) but dammit man, throw a flag and keep the Oline honest now and then.
+1000000000000000000
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Pelini could send one or two extra guys on the pass rush packages because he had a defensive backfield that could play reliable man-to-man defense that took away options from a quarterback. Soft zones that leave you with a 4 or 5 man rush don't present the same opportunity for penetration. It comes back to personnel.
That's a great point. I really don't see why we don't trust PP in man to man and have safety help over to Jai/Hawkins to allow our D to attack the QB with more than a 4 or 5 man rush. We need to take advantage of basically having Deion Sanders on the right side of our D taking away that side of the field from a QB.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:00 am to SaintLSUnAtl
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I think the problems with the playcalling is you have 2 coaches(Miles/Crowton) calling two different styles of offense. One of them has to call the plays and the other has to trust that the other is right. At least that is how it looks to me.
I agree. Its becoming obvious during Miles press conf that when he keeps saying they want to run better with CS & KW that he might be over-riding some of the play calling to run a CS up the middle play.
The ONLY area of concern for me would be that I would like for Miles to show more emotion on the sidelines. I know he's never done that since he's been here, and is deemed a "players coach"....but every now & again I'd like to see him chew somebody's azz when they mess up or get on the refs for a call!
ETA - I'm not one of the one's who think LSU is poorly coached crowd.
This post was edited on 9/30/09 at 9:02 am
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:01 am to Kracka
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So my question is, what exactly do you see on the field that you think the coaches should be spending more time on in practice?
Blocking. Defensive guys like Patrick Peterson block with better technique and fire then our receivers and tight ends do, not to mention the offensive line which never seems to get to the second level.
So my question is, what exactly do you see on the field that you think the coaches should be spending more time on in practice?
Blocking. Defensive guys like Patrick Peterson block with better technique and fire then our receivers and tight ends do, not to mention the offensive line which never seems to get to the second level.
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:03 am to TigerPaw15
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Blocking. Defensive guys like Patrick Peterson block with better technique and fire then our receivers and tight ends do, not to mention the offensive line which never seems to get to the second level.
Yes, but these guys have been playing football their whole life....they know blocking by now.....at some point, they (the players) have to take responsibility and just go hit somebody!
Posted on 9/30/09 at 9:04 am to Tiger Voodoo
Even though the middle of our OL is undersized, I think much of the problems are mental. I have routinely watched the center and left guard (as not to mention any names) not block anybody. It is not that they are getting blown off the ball in those cases, they are just not communicating and letting people run free in the backfield. To be fair, I have concentrated on those two because they are new to the line. No one else seems to be fairing much better.
To back up what I have been seeing, the center said that he is thinking too much and has been messing up the line calls. It appears that we have tried to limit the plays that JJ runs because he is inexperienced. Well so is our center. With teams repeatedly stacking the box with 8-9 players, I don't see the OL's job getting easier.
To back up what I have been seeing, the center said that he is thinking too much and has been messing up the line calls. It appears that we have tried to limit the plays that JJ runs because he is inexperienced. Well so is our center. With teams repeatedly stacking the box with 8-9 players, I don't see the OL's job getting easier.
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