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Why exactly will we be improved from 2008?
Posted on 8/31/09 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 8/31/09 at 11:40 pm
Guys, most of you know I'm one of the biggest LSU homers on the board. But I really am trying to "calm" the expectation level of many LSU fans, including my closest friends and to an extent myself as well.
I'm confused as to why everyone thinks the QB situation is going to be improved this year. We are in basically the exact same spot as we started last year at the QB position... a second-year player with practically no game experience starting at QB and a true freshman hanging behind him two spots down the depth chart. The only difference this year from last is we've got a backup QB that has actually seen some significant, meaningful playing time. That is the ONLY difference at QB in 09 compared to 08.
I realize most of us - including me - know the defense will be better this year. There is no question in my mind there. Hence, there will be improvement on that side of the ball that will hopefully save our young QBs when they make their inevitable young mistakes. To what extent will the defense improve our record from last year certainly remains to be seen.
All that said, why the optimism?? We've still got young QBs ... nothing you can say can change that. The RP deal set this program back 2 years, simple as that, and this is the second year and hopefully last year that we will feel the affects of that whole deal. I'm certainly hoping for the best, but it would not surprise me one bit if we saw the same shite at QB this year that we did last. I hope I'm wrong. And really one of the reasons I'm writing this is so that we go 13-0 with Jefferson leading the way and I was dead wrong (trust me, I desperately want to be wrong here!). But I just don't think we're ready at the most important position on the field to have the kind of impact that we all desire ... YET.
I'm confused as to why everyone thinks the QB situation is going to be improved this year. We are in basically the exact same spot as we started last year at the QB position... a second-year player with practically no game experience starting at QB and a true freshman hanging behind him two spots down the depth chart. The only difference this year from last is we've got a backup QB that has actually seen some significant, meaningful playing time. That is the ONLY difference at QB in 09 compared to 08.
I realize most of us - including me - know the defense will be better this year. There is no question in my mind there. Hence, there will be improvement on that side of the ball that will hopefully save our young QBs when they make their inevitable young mistakes. To what extent will the defense improve our record from last year certainly remains to be seen.
All that said, why the optimism?? We've still got young QBs ... nothing you can say can change that. The RP deal set this program back 2 years, simple as that, and this is the second year and hopefully last year that we will feel the affects of that whole deal. I'm certainly hoping for the best, but it would not surprise me one bit if we saw the same shite at QB this year that we did last. I hope I'm wrong. And really one of the reasons I'm writing this is so that we go 13-0 with Jefferson leading the way and I was dead wrong (trust me, I desperately want to be wrong here!). But I just don't think we're ready at the most important position on the field to have the kind of impact that we all desire ... YET.
This post was edited on 9/1/09 at 12:30 am
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Posted on 8/31/09 at 11:47 pm to JPLSU1981
because even with ALL of that crappy QB play LSU was in most off of their games save UF and ole miss. So, if you improve ANY at the position and the Defense actually gets a few points per game better, we win more games.
pretty simple actually.
pretty simple actually.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 11:48 pm to JPLSU1981
Well, look at it like this, the QB play was so bad last year, I don't think it could really be any worse. Maybe that's where the optimism comes from.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 11:48 pm to JPLSU1981
jordan jefferson is lights years ahead of where we were last year...no one had even seen Jarrett Lee take a snap and we had a harvard transfer start at QB game 1
most people saw JJ as a stud QB underrated by recruiting services b/c of injury...dude was undefefated in HS as the starter playing 5A ball
most people saw JJ as a stud QB underrated by recruiting services b/c of injury...dude was undefefated in HS as the starter playing 5A ball
Posted on 8/31/09 at 11:49 pm to JPLSU1981
The difference is last year we didn't know who was going to be the starter. We also know that Jefferson shows much more poise and patience in the pocket instead of throwing into double and triple coverage. He is also able to look off receivers something Lee couldn't do. We are light years ahead of where we were last year.
Posted on 8/31/09 at 11:57 pm to toddg
I really contend that the QB improvement is not the biggest reason for optimism. We scored plenty of points last year, we just could not stop anyone. Yes the Defense got left in some bad spots, so it wasnt totally on them, but people act like we went 3-9 last year. We are easily 2 games better on Defense from all reports and that makes LSU 9-3. IF JJ can keep the game under control and not let key mistakes leave the defense on the field then we can have a special season. isn't that the way Saban has become a god ( 
). Good Defense and a QB who doesnt turn the ball over?
). Good Defense and a QB who doesnt turn the ball over?This post was edited on 8/31/09 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:01 am to pitbull20
JJ has a lot more experience than any of the Quarterbacks we had last year. we don't need quarterbacks to win games just not lose them. And lets face it JL lost some games last year. we also have a New defensive coordinator.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:08 am to SammyTiger
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JJ has a lot more experience than any of the Quarterbacks we had last year.
What ya mean? JJ has basically no experience, so I don't understand that point.
This post was edited on 9/1/09 at 12:09 am
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:10 am to JPLSU1981
There were three major problems last year.
1. There was absolutely no experience on our entire QB depth chart. This year we are more experienced and more talented.
2. We had very little experience in the defensive secondary. This year we have experience at all positions with experienced depth.
3. We stupidly promoted two assistants to DC of a major football program. These guys were obviosuly not ready and should have worked there way up at DC at smaller programs. This year we have a nationally respected DC.
1. There was absolutely no experience on our entire QB depth chart. This year we are more experienced and more talented.
2. We had very little experience in the defensive secondary. This year we have experience at all positions with experienced depth.
3. We stupidly promoted two assistants to DC of a major football program. These guys were obviosuly not ready and should have worked there way up at DC at smaller programs. This year we have a nationally respected DC.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:13 am to JPLSU1981
Hypothetically speaking, and I know there is a great deal of speculation on the rant, let's say Jefferson actually puts up some unprecedented numbers this season: 3500+ passing yards, 25+ passing touchdowns, sprinkled with some decent rushing yards/TDs, and he wins a BCS bowl in the process of having a stellar sophomore season.
Does he turn heads nationally? Heisman? I understand that this is borderline unreasonable, but it isn't impossible. I am as much of a homer as the next ranter, but I am also skeptical of the QB position this year. However, if Jefferson actually does finish the season as a stud sophomore, will he be considered in the same respect as Lord Tebow, King Bradford, and Prince McCoy?
Does he turn heads nationally? Heisman? I understand that this is borderline unreasonable, but it isn't impossible. I am as much of a homer as the next ranter, but I am also skeptical of the QB position this year. However, if Jefferson actually does finish the season as a stud sophomore, will he be considered in the same respect as Lord Tebow, King Bradford, and Prince McCoy?
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:24 am to MartyMcfly
Since it is LSU he probably won't; however, if he really was doing that though we are probably winning a NC. You can't have a QB with that type of production, the talent we have at RB, and a solid SEC defense without it ending in a NC(barring a fricked up scenario like Auburn '04).
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:36 am to lsutiger2486
Did any of our QBs have Bowl game experience going into last year? No
Does JJ have it this year? Yes
Did any of our qbs have a starts going into last year? No
Does JJ have a start to his name goign into this year? Yes
I am not saying JJ is a grizzled Veteran, but he has alot more experience than riding a bench and playing in mop up time. wich is what Hatch and lee had going into last season.
Does JJ have it this year? Yes
Did any of our qbs have a starts going into last year? No
Does JJ have a start to his name goign into this year? Yes
I am not saying JJ is a grizzled Veteran, but he has alot more experience than riding a bench and playing in mop up time. wich is what Hatch and lee had going into last season.
This post was edited on 9/1/09 at 12:37 am
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:41 am to SammyTiger
we will be significantly improved on defense and the main reason for that is the players will know their assignments and trust the defensive coaches- both of which were big reasons for what happened last year
as for offense, we now have an experienced (somewhat) qb and his nickname isnt pick 6
as for offense, we now have an experienced (somewhat) qb and his nickname isnt pick 6
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:44 am to JPLSU1981
Let me give you some advice friend. It's not your job to "calm" anybody's expectation level. If people want to enjoy anticipating having a good year, then why don't you just stay out of it?
This post was edited on 9/1/09 at 12:45 am
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:50 am to GeauxBayouBengals
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then why don't you just stay out of it?
Let us assume that this is impossible.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 12:58 am to jrowla2
I understand your point about the quarterback situation, but it is MORE experienced and tested than last year. When Coach Miles made the tough but necessary decision to kick Perilloux's sorry arse off the team, it totally upended the program. We didn't have the confidence or the strength of defense to fall back on. The team got that confidence and fire back at the Chik-Fil-A Bowl, plain and simple. When Jordan Jefferson addressed the team before the game and told them "I will not let you down" and he performed, the team believed in itself again. With that momentum and going into spring practice with and load of new talented recruits, a new, respected, tough Defensive Coordinator, and a renewed sense of fast, smart, smashmouth football- we are primed to to unleash. The secondary is much improved, the quarterbacks are much improved, and the possibilities in the backfield have my head spinning. And LSU has something to prove. Throw in Coach Miles and his tough, crazy style- who has righted the ship in my opinio- and I believe we won't be disappointed.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 1:07 am to JPLSU1981
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it would not surprise me one bit if we saw the same shite at QB this year that we did last.
It would surprise me.
There's gonna be 10-15 picks thrown this year. 7 back the other way would shock me.
The O wasn't the main problem last year. Solid D and no pick 6s = 9-3. Add consistenly good qb play to that and it's 11-1.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 2:01 am to JPLSU1981
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We've still got young QBs ... nothing you can say can change that.
But they are not AS young, nor are they completely inexperienced now. Both have had big-time exerperience and big-time success in big games (JL led a great comeback against Auburn, and JJ was the MVP of the bowl game).
The defensive scheme will be better, and I am confident that LB play will be better. Any drop off in talent from the DL (and it should be slight, mainly the loss of Jackson) should be made up for in intensity and a proven scheme. Secondary play should be better - I didn't mind Mallory as a DB coach, he was a good recruiter. However, Cooper as DB coach is a bigger upgrade from Mallory than Chavis is an upgrade from Mallveto. (And, for the record, I thought Peveto was a serviceable ST Coordinator, a decent LB coach and a great recruiter.)
Posted on 9/1/09 at 3:46 am to Ace Midnight
Its good to have high expectations!! Jp, definitely see your point in your posts and agree RP set us back last year. But I'll take it for the good of our program. Its kids like that who will get your program on probation and then it wouldn't matter if we won them all, i.e (Auburn in 93 with Terry Bowden). This would be terrible to me. Nothing to show for it. As far as this year, yeah we are still young at the most important spot QB, but teams still have a proven track record if the defense is strong. No doubt our defense this year is incredibly talented like they have been the past 6-7 years. It will just be up to Chavis to make them play up to their potential. Most realist LSU fans would agree because of our schedule we're most likely to lose 2-3 games this year, but that still will be IMPROVEMENT. However, I think losing anymore then 3 barring any major injuries would be a disappointing season. But hey, you never know, we still could pull off the dream season and go undefeated!!!!Ever wonder why we have been just steam-rolling people in bowl games? I think its because the time off before the bowls allows us to be full strength, healthy and rested. And top to bottom talent wise we have what it takes and are in elite company. Bottom line-- If we improve on our take-a-ways and our give-a-ways, no doubt 2009 will show an improved team.
Posted on 9/1/09 at 4:03 am to Lucky Loper
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If we improve on our take-a-ways and our give-a-ways, no doubt 2009 will show an improved team.
In hindsight - nothing could have been done about the Florida game. Eliminating two specific turnovers, and we probably beat UGA. An 8-4 regular season, 9-4 overall would not be looking that bad right now (what a difference one game makes.)
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