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Nat gas possibly headed much lower

Posted on 8/13/09 at 10:05 am
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 8/13/09 at 10:05 am
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Unconventional natural gas production in the United States has been a true game-changer. Due to compelling economics, unconventional output is still rising in the shale plays. Producers report early success rates, reduced drilling times, highly productive wells and finding costs as low of as $1.50/MMBtu in some areas. On our estimates, many shale plays have returns of 20%+ on current calendar 2010 NYMEX natural gas prices. Severe storage constraints might surface in some areas, causing cash prices to sink. In turn, lower nat gas cash prices could negatively impact Henry Hub and force further production shut-ins.

In other words, because shale gas makes such long-term economic sense for producers, even collapsing natural gas prices in the interim are not currently enough to disincentivize its production. Which means in the short-term, you can expect further price pain according to the analysts as available storage continues to fill-up.

So what’s the worst that can happen? Well, one reason physical natural gas traders claim unlimited futures positions are a must in their industry is because unlike crude oil or other commodities natural gas that is already produced is much more difficult to store. Any excess supply on any given day must have the means to be used, go into storage, or it gets wasted.

In fact, in that way natural gas trading bears more similarity to central banking than commodities trade, because if natgas traders (also known as shippers) fail to deliver enough on a sudden bout of demand or conversely risk overloading the “system” because demands suddenly falls, the pipeline network risks falling out of balance with potentially dire side-effects. This is why spot prices can be hugely volatile.

As storage tightens to record levels, the chances of a major price collapse become ever more possible due to the practice of discounting gas in regional systems when capacity is full.


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Posted by Martavius
Member since Nov 2005
16019 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 10:24 am to
So I shouldn't lock in my per therm rate for 12 months?
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 10:29 am to
Say who did what?
Posted by Zilla
Member since Jul 2005
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Posted on 8/13/09 at 10:44 am to
thx for the link jersey
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 8/13/09 at 10:48 am to
Are you long natural gas, JT?
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 11:09 am to
I'm long HS acreage.
Posted by lsu1percent
BR
Member since Jul 2008
765 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 11:13 am to
Not good for Louisiana and the gulf. MOst of the drilling is natural gas.
Posted by Lord Nelson
Member since Aug 2009
2823 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 11:13 am to
quote:

I'm long HS acreage.

bad position, Shell is dumping their acreage, chesapeake released 15 million dollars worth of state leases last week.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8747 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 11:19 am to
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bad position, Shell is dumping their acreage, chesapeake released 15 million dollars worth of state leases last week.


Shell simply trading acreage in non-op units, and CHK didn't want to pay huge rentals due for acreage they can lease again later for much cheaper. Doesn't change the validity of the play. Long term it looks like the shale plays are going to negatively impact gulf coast and offshore activity because of costs. Prices are probably heading lower through next year because pipeline pressure is rising from overfilled lines. This will lead to shut ins, and competition in pricing from basin to basin. South Texas is an especially bad place to be producing gas right now. Last month was the first time production actually dropped month over month since the rig count plummeted, so this will bring supply and demand back in balance at some point in the future. The question will be when.
This post was edited on 8/13/09 at 11:21 am
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133485 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 11:22 am to
quote:

I'm long HS acreage.
Gotcha'.

Hang on to it. NG will come back, probably sooner than the "experts" predict it will. It always does....
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 11:26 am to
quote:

Hang on to it. NG will come back, probably sooner than the "experts" predict it will. It always does....


For assorted tax and succession reasons, I think I'm actually glad that it's so depressed like it is right now. I say "I think" because I'm starting to worry that prices will never come back.

One reason I think it might not is because every fund and analyst I know is predicting short-term pain but long term spikes. With everyone predicting prices to be high in the long term, that's almost a guarantee that they won't be.
Posted by Lord Nelson
Member since Aug 2009
2823 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 1:54 pm to
quote:

With everyone predicting prices to be high in the long term, that's almost a guarantee that they won't be.


When will storage be at capacity?
Posted by Tigahs
Member since Jan 2004
22836 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 2:15 pm to
i said to short natural gas a few weeks ago, have some decent investor intelligence via phone conversation w/ head of nat gas unit at XXXXX (anonymous oil major).

nat gas storage has been at its highest since they started recording, and shale gas production--as the article states--is starting to ramp-up.
Posted by Tigahs
Member since Jan 2004
22836 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 2:16 pm to
Jersey, does your hedge fund engage in any alternative energy plays? i ask b/c a fair number of our clients are hedge funds, PE/VC, etc.
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 2:16 pm to
Sounds like within months.
Posted by Lord Nelson
Member since Aug 2009
2823 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

Sounds like within months.

Damn, shut-in city
Posted by Tiger JJ
Member since Aug 2010
545 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 2:29 pm to
quote:

Jersey, does your hedge fund engage in any alternative energy plays? i ask b/c a fair number of our clients are hedge funds, PE/VC, etc.


Nah. That shite sucks. Who do you work for?
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8747 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 3:07 pm to
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Damn, shut-in city


There will probably be a lot of wells that are shut in for almost the whole month, then produced for a couple of days just to hold leases. The older more marginal production is going to be tough to operate with the increasing line pressures.
Posted by Lord Nelson
Member since Aug 2009
2823 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

The older more marginal production is going to be tough to operate with the increasing line pressures.

what will they do about the lower pressures?
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28156 posts
Posted on 8/13/09 at 5:08 pm to
What is the major reason that keeps nat gas from becoming a better fuel source for vehicles?
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