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Posted on 7/3/09 at 1:28 am to
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 7/3/09 at 1:28 am to
I would compare that MSU game to the other rent a wins we usually start off the season with. LSU needs those games just like NFL teams need preseason. The fact is, even though we whipped there arse, I didn't like opening up on the road against an SEC team. If UNC is just a little worth a shite, I will be very uneasy.

Oregon State was not on our level, but we played down to them-opening game. Arizona St. was a good team, but not near as good the rest of the year as they were against us-opening game. Va Tech had a good year in 2002 and we would have had a good one too except Mauck went down. But even with Mauck, we got our asses handed to us against a good ACC team-opening game.

We do much better we we invite the Daughters of the American Revolution JUCO to BR for our opening game than we do against real BCS teams.
Posted by ColtsTigers
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 7/3/09 at 1:30 am to
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Oregon State was not on our level, but we played down to them-opening game. Arizona St. was a good team, but not near as good the rest of the year as they were against us-opening game. Va Tech had a good year in 2002 and we would have had a good one too except Mauck went down. But even with Mauck, we got our asses handed to us against a good ACC team-opening game.


Actually all of those teams were at our level, we weren't that good those years. Oregon State's QB made a freakin' probowl in the NFL, we had Marcus Randall.

Have fear if you must though. It seems to be a rite of passage on this board.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164646 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 1:30 am to
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Have fear if you must though. It seems to be a rite of passage on this board.

You should be a Fresno State fan.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164646 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 1:31 am to
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I would compare that MSU game to the other rent a wins we usually start off the season with. LSU needs those games just like NFL teams need preseason. The fact is, even though we whipped there arse, I didn't like opening up on the road against an SEC team. If UNC is just a little worth a shite, I will be very uneasy.

Exactly. Play games like this possible one vs. UNC in week 2.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
34533 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 1:35 am to
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Actually all of those teams were at our level,
The first game they were. With the exception of 2002 Va Tech, none of those teams had an outstanding season.

I would be excited for an opening game against UNC, but the facts are, we don't do so hot against schools that are worth just a little bit of a crap on opening games.
Posted by ColtsTigers
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 7/3/09 at 1:40 am to
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The first game they were. With the exception of 2002 Va Tech, none of those teams had an outstanding season.

I would be excited for an opening game against UNC, but the facts are, we don't do so hot against schools that are worth just a little bit of a crap on opening games.


No, they were both among the best teams in their conference that year. Oregon State had a good QB and by far the 2nd best defense in the Pac 10 that year. ASU had a good passing game, and we had a whole new freakin' coaching staff on the road and a Soph QB who still hadn't matured. We simply weren't that good that year, certainly not as good as we'll be next year.

Fear away though if you must.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164646 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 1:46 am to
Oregon State and Arizona State both went 7-5 in 2004 and 2005 respectively. While LSU went 9-3 and 11-2.

LSU was much better than both of those teams, and our usual poor play the first game of the year kept those teams in it.
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
34533 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 1:51 am to
Oregon State also gave up 49 points or more 3 times that year. Yet we were lucky to get 15 in regulation. Granted it was raining but 15?! They gave up 53 to Boise St. the next week.

I'm looking at LSU's history and all the way back through the 80's this is a trend. Houston in 96 is a good example. If we play a semi-"real" team on opening day, granted with a few of exceptions, we either lose or play them really close.

We need warm up games!

And this fear stuff is not a good description. Am I afraid LSU will lose, sometimes. Do I fear a game, no, never.
This post was edited on 7/3/09 at 1:52 am
Posted by ColtsTigers
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 7/3/09 at 1:53 am to
I know the records and don't care. In '05, we got blown out by UGA that wasn't great, embarrassed in the Tenn game, and were lucky to win games like Arky, Bama, Florida, and others. It was simply a down year in the conference with some new coaches, and we were part of the downess.

In '04, also blown out by UGA, lost to Iowa, and had a trainwreck at QB compared to them having Derek Anderson.

Again, excuse it away if you must to help come up with your theories though. As I said, we will be a much better team this year and next than we were in those years. We were basically rebuilding with young talent then, and the fruits didn't come until 2006 and 2007.
Posted by ColtsTigers
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
2248 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 1:56 am to
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Oregon State also gave up 49 points or more 3 times that year. Yet we were lucky to get 15 in regulation. Granted it was raining but 15?! They gave up 53 to Boise St. the next week.

I'm looking at LSU's history and all the way back through the 80's this is a trend. Houston in 96 is a good example. If we play a semi-"real" team on opening day, granted with a few of exceptions, we either lose or play them really close.

We need warm up games!

And this fear stuff is not a good description. Am I afraid LSU will lose, sometimes. Do I fear a game, no, never.


Losers mentality is what it is. Who gives a rats-@ss what happened 23 years ago!

We were lucky to get 15 bc Marcus Randall was our QB. Don't care what they did the next week, they were probably down due to the heartbreaking loss. Plus, Boise most likely had a much better passing game than we did anyway.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164646 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 1:59 am to
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I know the records and don't care.


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In '05, we got blown out by UGA that wasn't great, embarrassed in the Tenn game

We made it to the SEC Championship game and were exhausted after playing for 10 straight weeks. And did you forget about Katrina? The team was also mentally exhausted during the Tennessee game and for a lot of that season.
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and were lucky to win games like Arky, Bama, Florida, and others.

Alabama, Florida, and Auburn were all pretty good that year. Since when is winning close games against good teams getting lucky? It takes a great team to continuously win close game after close game against great teams. So were weren't actually as good as 11-2 teams should be?
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In '04, also blown out by UGA, lost to Iowa, and had a trainwreck at QB compared to them having Derek Anderson.

We were still much better than a shitty Oregon State team and made the Capital One Bowl, the best bowl game outside the BCS.
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Again, excuse it away if you must to help come up with your theories though.

You must be young and don't remember things very well.
This post was edited on 7/3/09 at 2:00 am
Posted by ColtsTigers
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
2248 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 2:07 am to
Dude, there's really no proof that any of those teams were shittier than the Bamas and Auburns in our conference. Believe what you want though. Another stupid Rant theory, that even in years when the SEC is mediocre, it still rules!

Keep exaggerating those rebuilding teams though, and underestimating our teams of the future. The talent and experience is at a whole other level, but keep downplaying them I suppose. Another Rant tradition.

And as you said, pretty much throw out that ASU game anyway due to Katrina. Heck, you maybe should throw that whole season away.

This conversation has run its course.
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164646 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 2:11 am to
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there's really no proof that any of those teams were shittier than the Bamas and Auburns in our conference.



Alabama was 10-0 at one point. I'm done with this one.

How high is that horse you're on anyways? You should stay off the Rant if you're too good for it.
Posted by ColtsTigers
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
2248 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 2:19 am to
10-0 with beating who??? After Prothro had that gruesome injury, watching paint dry was more exciting than that awful offense that they had.

My whole point is that LSU's teams of now, the future, and since then, are better than they were in those years. Just look at the depth of talent that has been recruited versus what we had then. We weren't mature at QB or the skill positions.

I happen to believe Jefferson is going to be much better these next two years than Russell was in those two years. If you don't, then go cry that we'll struggle I guess.

We're thru here with this conversation though. I have confidence that LSU can beat any team we play. Others seem to fear that we can't beat Florida, that we may trip up against UNC. I see talent that everyone when we signed, but you apparently see ghosts from the past instead and fear the future.

I happen to think it doesn't matter what happened five years ago considering there is not one player on the team now that was on the team then. Jefferson, Shepard, and Randle don't care how much Marcus Randall and Skyler Green struggled in those games.
This post was edited on 7/3/09 at 2:20 am
Posted by alajones
Huntsvegas
Member since Oct 2005
34533 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 8:38 am to
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10-0 with beating who
Do you realize that you are diminishing a 10-0 SEC Team but you spent 2 paragraphs defending 7-5 PAC 10 teams? You have your head so far up your butt it is unreal.

This trend goes back way before Randle was our QB. But you totally ignored all that history that I presented.
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Jefferson, Shepard, and Randle
This just shows how young and dumb you really are. Do you think that this is the first time LSU has had some really great recruits? That doesn't equal wins or greatness.

LSU has trouble with opening games when that game is against a team that is just a little bit good. Not every time, but most of the time. They either lose or play them really close.This trend goes back 30 years or so. I do not like us scheduling anyone except a rent a win NCAA low life school for opening day.
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32457 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 8:40 am to
I'll be there, hope it happens!
Posted by ColtsTigers
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2009
2248 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 9:49 am to
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Do you realize that you are diminishing a 10-0 SEC Team but you spent 2 paragraphs defending 7-5 PAC 10 teams? You have your head so far up your butt it is unreal.


Yes, bc the SEC was down that year. Urban Meyer was in his first year, and said about 10000 times that his team sucked. Tenn had freakin' Rick Clausen at QB, who couldn't start for most Pac 10 teams. Miles was in his first year, and that year should probably be thrown out anyway considering the hurricane. Any Bama fan will tell you that their offense was pathetic after Prothro got hurt. Ole Myth was awful under Orgeron. I could keep going if I must.

You can ignore the fact though that Oregon State basically controlled that game against us though, and there was nothing flukish about it. The replay was just on a few weeks ago.

I've told you, I don't care about history. I have confidence in our team, so that's why I ignore it. I know that we have much better personnel than we had in the mid 80s, so that comparison is retarded.

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This just shows how young and dumb you really are. Do you think that this is the first time LSU has had some really great recruits? That doesn't equal wins or greatness.


Yes, I think those are better recruits than even LSU is used to getting. How many times has LSU pulled in two players in the same class that rank among the top 10 in the nation like they did last year? How many QBs have we had with the talent/maturity combination that Jefferson has? You can keep ignoring the brightness of our future, but I refuse to do so.

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LSU has trouble with opening games when that game is against a team that is just a little bit good. Not every time, but most of the time. They either lose or play them really close.This trend goes back 30 years or so. I do not like us scheduling anyone except a rent a win NCAA low life school for opening day.


lol, I think I get that point by now.

I happen to not care what has happened in the past, bc not one player we currently have was on those teams. Heck, Miles doesn't have much history in those games either. I don't mind scheduling these games bc I sure as hell am confident that we can win them!
Posted by lesisbes
Crowley, Louisiana
Member since Mar 2009
808 posts
Posted on 7/3/09 at 9:54 am to
Keep Games in DEATH VALLEY.
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