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What is the Logic Behind Baseball Scholarship Rules

Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:08 am
Posted by bayourant
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:08 am
I still don't understand this. WHy is Baseball treated differently it seems.

In Baseball it seems on the whole looking at their bios Baseball players are pretty smart and thus I guess at LSU they get in on TOPS and othe acdemic scholarships.

How places like Baylor that ones has to take out a small mortgage on your life to send your kid there does it I do not know

However I dont understand why if we sign a player why can't they get a full ride in all cases.

I am sure I am missing the obvious reason but it seems idiotic the system we have.

Posted by TortiousTiger
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:12 am to
In baseball coaches are allowed a little over 11.5 scholarships per team for a D1 school and 9 for a D2 school.
Posted by bayourant
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:16 am to
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In baseball coaches are allowed a little over 11.5 scholarships per team for a D1 school and 9 for a D2 school.


It just seems we are having to divide this all over the place and having to rely on academic schollys or TOPS.

I dont understand still why we can't give a certain amount of players in a signing class each year a full ride

Posted by ehidal1
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:22 am to
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In baseball coaches are allowed a little over 11.5 scholarships per team for a D1 school and 9 for a D2 school
You can thank Title IX. College baseball suffers the most with not being a revenue driven sport like the others. Ron Polk has been fighting this for years.
Posted by ehidal1
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:22 am to
Double post
This post was edited on 6/3/09 at 12:23 am
Posted by TortiousTiger
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:23 am to
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I dont understand still why we can't give a certain amount of players in a signing class each year a full ride



i guess we could. 2 players per class get a full ride.

With a 35 man roster, see how that would work out?
Posted by ffishstik
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:28 am to
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There is no Logic Behind Baseball Scholarship Rules


Fixed it for you.

If there's a reason why they continue to get shafted, I haven't figured it out. It certainly doesn't improve the sport. Seems like one more reason for talented players to go straight to pro baseball.
Posted by bayourant
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:32 am to
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i guess we could. 2 players per class get a full ride.

With a 35 man roster, see how that would work out?


Ok what am I missing. I mean this is not the football team with that Scholarship roster.

So a University gives 35 students a full scholarship. What is the problem. Is the problem the major leagues don't want more incentives for prospects to go to College and they are involved in this.

Why is Baseball treated differently than football
This post was edited on 6/3/09 at 12:34 am
Posted by TortiousTiger
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:35 am to
one of the problems is that baseball is already a money pit for most schools so giving out 35 schollys is just not feasible.

this rule supposedly levels the playing field (but it just screws private schools harder than cheap schools)
Posted by LSUMike1
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:35 am to
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What is the Logic Behind Baseball Scholarship Rules

bayourant, you should know by now that the words 'logic' and 'ncaa' are never to be used together in the same sentence... the only time those words are used together is if the word 'logic' is directly preceded by the prefix 'il'.. as in the word 'illogic' or 'illogical'... which of course perfectly and completely describes the dis-organization known by the word 'ncaa'...
Posted by ehidal1
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:38 am to
Collge baseball gets 11.7 schollies per year. Unfortantely, college baseball takes one of the big hits from Title IX.
Posted by ffishstik
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:40 am to
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You can thank Title IX


You think? I thought that it was up to the school to decide how to comply with Title IX. For example, a school adds women's gymnastics and soccer but not men's to balance out schollies from football. If a school adds enough women's sports to strike that balance, why would the NCAA limit their scolarships for a specific sport?

Not saying that's the case or implying that you're wrong, I'm simply posing it as a question. I honestly don't know the answer.
Posted by ffishstik
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:44 am to
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this rule supposedly levels the playing field (but it just screws private schools harder than cheap schools)


I believe that TT has this right. I remember them saying something to that affect, although it didn't make a lot of sense to me then and still doesn't.
Posted by bayourant
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:44 am to
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one of the problems is that baseball is already a money pit for most schools so giving out 35 schollys is just not feasible.

this rule supposedly levels the playing field (but it just screws private schools harder than cheap schools)


Ok but how is this causing Unversity X to lose money. I mean Is University x losing money because one or two more kids are added to the Poly Sci class or Marketing 101.

I am supposing that all these kids are covered under some health plan scholarship or not. So in the end the University is just losing money on room and board and food. Which seems in the big scheme of things pretty small. In the end whether they are on scholarship are not you got to pay for their travel. Whether they are on scholarship or not you have to pay for their expenses on the road.
This post was edited on 6/3/09 at 12:45 am
Posted by TortiousTiger
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:50 am to
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Ok but how is this causing Unversity X to lose money. I mean Is University x losing money because one or two more kids are added to the Poly Sci class or Marketing 101.


lets say Private School U adds 26 scholarships from their D2 9. Their tuition is 33,000 a year.

the school just gave up $858,000 per year, or 3.5 million dollars over the 4 years of eligibility of the student athletes.

Private school U cannot afford this and is thus forced to shut down the baseball program because they cannot compete with higher revenue programs.
This post was edited on 6/3/09 at 12:54 am
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:52 am to
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You can thank Title IX.


X10- it is more cost efficient to cut men's programs then to pump money into women's sports.
Posted by LSUMike1
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Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 12:55 am to
a few years ago their were more schollys per team, but not much more... but they have been cut twice in the last 5 years, I think, and another big cut is coming, to go along with the recently effected roster limitations and recently effected scheduling changes... a lot of this is to allow more northern schools to have a better chance at the end of each season... but I am sure the Title IX enforcement has a lot to do with it, also...
Posted by bayourant
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 1:11 am to
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lets say Private School U adds 26 scholarships from their D2 9. Their tuition is 33,000 a year.

the school just gave up $858,000 per year, or 3.5 million dollars over the 4 years of eligibility of the student athletes.

Private school U cannot afford this and is thus forced to shut down the baseball program because they cannot compete with higher revenue programs.


BUt how is Private School "x" really losing money by adding 35 students to the rolls at full scholarship. I mean they are adding a small number of students in the overall scheme to the academic structure.

Adding 35 baseball players in various academic areas does not mean they have to deny 35 other paying students. It seems the major expense of baseball occurs with players whether they are on scholarship or not. Like plane travel and hotels etc.

I have no idea what D2 9 is by the way. It just seems in the end they could add these guys to the rolls and besides room and board their is no real negative income cost to the University.

Are the swimming teams, Golf teams, tennis teams, soccer teams under similar restrictions?
This post was edited on 6/3/09 at 1:13 am
Posted by TortiousTiger
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 1:21 am to
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It just seems in the end they could add these guys to the rolls and besides room and board their is no real negative income cost to the University.


I think you need to reread my post.

Adding the scholarships would cost the school nearly a million dollars a year.

Posted by bayourant
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Posted on 6/3/09 at 1:23 am to
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I think you need to reread my post.

Adding the scholarships would cost the school nearly a million dollars a year.


So are they actually having to deposit funds? THis seems all like robbing Peter to pay Paul to me.
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