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Payton on NFL Network
Posted on 3/23/09 at 6:31 pm
Posted on 3/23/09 at 6:31 pm
just now a little interview, they asked what they are looking to do, his response the best I can paraphrase it was about like this-
We tried to fill some specific positions in free agency. Going into the draft we will be looking at linebackers, defensive linemen, and offensive linemen but won't disregard those positions (the ones filled in free agency).
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General coachspeak but I found it interesting that he listed those three positions.
We tried to fill some specific positions in free agency. Going into the draft we will be looking at linebackers, defensive linemen, and offensive linemen but won't disregard those positions (the ones filled in free agency).
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General coachspeak but I found it interesting that he listed those three positions.
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Posted on 3/23/09 at 6:52 pm to blueslover
no rb? damit
Posted on 3/23/09 at 7:33 pm to tigerbait012
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tigerbait012
why the f would we want another rb?
Posted on 3/23/09 at 7:59 pm to locotiger
I am willing to bet on OLB. He is looking to get faster at this position.
Posted on 3/23/09 at 8:08 pm to pdaddy2005
we need another rb. just not in the first round 
Posted on 3/23/09 at 8:10 pm to pdaddy2005
Just going to quote what I posted in the other thread, before I saw this one:
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Not certain how to read Sean Payton. Just heard an interview on NFL Network radio ( anyone else hear it? ) where he listed needs as 'getting some young olineman and some young dlineman, possibly look at the LB position', and something to the effect of by signing Greer & Sharper, they should 'improve yet leave room to draft those positions as well'.
That's 5 positions with 4 picks at the moment. I can see a late round DT, but DE is pretty much out of the question with the money tied up in Grant & Smith, so I don't understand the 'some' comment. Same thing goes for oline ( 'some' ) and then there is no mention of RB at all, not even late. I'd have to assume he's either not going to draft a RB, period ( which would be rather stupid with the 28th ranked rushing attack ), or he's holding his cards and taking one in the 1st.
Btw, profootball.com joins Kiper in a prediction of Moreno in the 1st.
Posted on 3/23/09 at 9:21 pm to RelocatedPelican
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then there is no mention of RB at all, not even late. I'd have to assume he's either not going to draft a RB, period ( which would be rather stupid with the 28th ranked rushing attack ), or he's holding his cards and taking one in the 1st.
thank goodness. we have too much money tied up at RB. Look around the NFL. Good RBs pop up every year. Another big name comes up, another big name falls down. What's two things that are common in all situations where RBs are very effective?
1. Good OLine.
2. Coach who is determined to run the football.
We have neither. We will never have a good RB with SP. And, can I dare say that we don't need one if we can play defense???
If the Saints never draft another RB again, I will be a happy man. Heck, if we don't draft another offensive position besides OL for the next 3 years, we'll be dancing our way to the Super Bowl (maybe, more than once). And, I would say 5 years, but we'll need to find someone to groom to replace Brees eventually.
Posted on 3/23/09 at 9:24 pm to RelocatedPelican
Oh stewardess, I speak coachspeak bullshite. Loosely translated, he just said he's looking hard at S, CB, DE, RB, and WR. Or, he could be speaking a different dialect, to which he just said, I'm just throwing shite out there and nothing I'm saying means shite. If you need further translations, just let me know.
Posted on 3/24/09 at 1:21 am to hashtag
quote:I can't think of a nice way to disagree so I'll just say "no". If you want to win the SB, have at least the threat of a real running game. Here's hoping Sean is smart and is simply not showing his cards on this one.
slackhouse
Posted on 3/24/09 at 6:22 am to blueslover
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We tried to fill some specific positions in free agency. Going into the draft we will be looking at linebackers, defensive linemen, and offensive linemen but won't disregard those positions (the ones filled in free agency).
Smokescreen!! Payton will be stubborn and do something dumb like draft a RB in the first round unless he proves it to me otherwise. I hope he does prove me wrong by the way.
Posted on 3/24/09 at 6:46 am to blueslover
partial smoke screen
Posted on 3/24/09 at 7:20 am to Six Saint
reverse smoke screen, Payton loves reverses... sun screen
Posted on 3/24/09 at 8:00 am to Mattgobear
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Smokescreen!! Payton will be stubborn and do something dumb like draft a RB in the first round unless he proves it to me otherwise. I hope he does prove me wrong by the way.
you wanna bet?
Posted on 3/24/09 at 8:01 am to RelocatedPelican
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If you want to win the SB, have at least the threat of a real running game. Here's hoping Sean is smart and is simply not showing his cards on this one.
The Patriots and there 3/4 Super Bowl wins disagree.
The Saints have had a Super Bowl offense the last 3 years with a high school defense. Fix the defense, the team is in the playoffs every year for 5 years. Once that is done, anything can happen.
Posted on 3/24/09 at 8:09 am to hashtag
Slackhouse, could you be any more wrong! The Pats went out and got Corey Dillon to help them win SB's. Lawrence Maroney was drafed to help them in that regard. The Pats run the ball, don't doubt that. By the way, the Pats drafted Maroney with the 21st pick of the first round. Guess you forgot that. You must have also forgotten that the Pats finished 6th in the NFL in rushing. Not bad for a team that doesn't run the ball as you say.
This post was edited on 3/24/09 at 8:11 am
Posted on 3/24/09 at 9:32 am to blueslover
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Payton on NFL Network
They did the State of the Franchise after that and only talked about Bush and his ability to catch passes and his inability to run up the middle. Thanks a lot NFL Network.
Posted on 3/24/09 at 10:18 am to bamablows
quote:Exactly. Even when the Pats won with a low ranked rushing offense, they had the *threat* of running the entire time. They actually use play action fairly well. Its football 101; if you're one dimensional on offense, you're stoppable.
Slackhouse, could you be any more wrong! The Pats went out and got Corey Dillon to help them win SB's. Lawrence Maroney was drafed to help them in that regard. The Pats run the ball, don't doubt that. By the way, the Pats drafted Maroney with the 21st pick of the first round. Guess you forgot that. You must have also forgotten that the Pats finished 6th in the NFL in rushing. Not bad for a team that doesn't run the ball as you say.
Btw, don't you think the Saints' "#1 offense" is a bit misleading? To have 8 losses, was the other team's D vs the Saints #1 rated O that much better than the Saints D vs the other team's O? Answer - no, not really:
( overall offense # overall defense )
( saints vs difference on right )
Saints ( 1 # 23 )
Washington ( 19 # 4 ) = +3 -4 = -1
Denver ( 2 # 29 ) = +28 -21 = +7
Vikings ( 17 # 6 ) = +5 -6 = -1
Panthers ( 10 # 18 ) = +17 -13 = +4
Falcons ( 6 # 24 ) = +23 -17 = +6
Bucs ( 14 # 9 ) = +8 -9 = -1
Bears ( 26 # 21 ) = +20 +3 = +23
Panthers ( 10 # 18 ) = +17 -13 = +4
Basically, if rankings meant so much, there should have only been 3 bubble games last year and 5 more wins. But there wasn't, and that's the point, which anyone could have seen with a rudimentary football IQ when watching the games last year. Yes, the defense needed addressing, and it got a good bit of it in FA, but so does the running game, badly.
Posted on 3/24/09 at 2:06 pm to RelocatedPelican
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Yes, the defense needed addressing, and it got a good bit of it in FA, but so does the running game, badly.
I'm just being realistic. Sean Payton is not concerned about the running game. And, I'm definitely not concerned with tying up more money in another first round draft pick RB who hasn't proven anything. We can find a servicable running back anywhere.
If we are going to get a RB, it should be in free agency, and it should be a cheap one. Atleast until Reggie's contract expires, or they move him to another position.
We can't afford to have two first round RBs on our team who haven't proven they can play in the NFL as a RB.
Also, you'll notice something else about teams with good running games. They can take any guy with a RB next to his name and make him look good. Why? Because they have a system that relies heavily on the running game and they have a great OLine.
The Saints have neither. So, drafting a RB in the first round is just another waste of money. Instead, shore up the OL and let the RBs we have benefit from having a decent OL.
Here's some rushing stats from last year in the NFL:
Super Bowl Champion Steelers: 105.6 yards/game
Super Bowl Losers Cardinals: 73.6 yards/game
New Orleans Saints: 99.6 yards/game
It looks like you can win without having a rushing game. What did those two teams have??? One had a great passing game. The other has a great defense.
Hmmm...
Posted on 3/24/09 at 2:25 pm to blueslover
Posted on 3/24/09 at 3:40 pm to hashtag
The Steelers, for example, had a constant threat of the rushing attack ( 9th in attempts ), but were hit up with injuries quite a bit. Don't forget that the Cards were in a weak division and dropped a number of games at the end of the season, but in the postseason, the Cards were 5th in rushing & 1st in rushing attempts ( Steelers were second ).
No draft pick is 'proven' in the NFL, none. They do, however, have college resumes and Moreno's, for example, is exceptional. Its rather faulty to reason that Reggie's paycheck should hender the Saints from aquiring a RB. The 'RB' label for Reggie means very little; Reggie is definitely not a RB. You suggest getting a 'servicable' RB. Why do 'servicable' when you can get a good one? Would you rather a servicable QB? A servicable MLB?
I actually think the Oline is very good. Obviously, they are good at pass blocking, but I am not disappointed in their run blocking either. A RB has to read the hole just as much as they have to create one.
You argue that the teams with good running games can plug in 'any' back and be productive. I would hardly call Willie Parker, Corey Dillon, Adrian Peterson, LT, Michael Turner, Clinton Portis, etc 'any' back.
You may be right that SP is not concerned with the running game, but I for one believe he is a smart man & therefore is in fact very concerned with it. He can easily look at the team production in years were the Saints ran well vs when they didn't and see the difference.
No draft pick is 'proven' in the NFL, none. They do, however, have college resumes and Moreno's, for example, is exceptional. Its rather faulty to reason that Reggie's paycheck should hender the Saints from aquiring a RB. The 'RB' label for Reggie means very little; Reggie is definitely not a RB. You suggest getting a 'servicable' RB. Why do 'servicable' when you can get a good one? Would you rather a servicable QB? A servicable MLB?
I actually think the Oline is very good. Obviously, they are good at pass blocking, but I am not disappointed in their run blocking either. A RB has to read the hole just as much as they have to create one.
You argue that the teams with good running games can plug in 'any' back and be productive. I would hardly call Willie Parker, Corey Dillon, Adrian Peterson, LT, Michael Turner, Clinton Portis, etc 'any' back.
You may be right that SP is not concerned with the running game, but I for one believe he is a smart man & therefore is in fact very concerned with it. He can easily look at the team production in years were the Saints ran well vs when they didn't and see the difference.
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