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Hegseth makes path for easing restrictions for weapons on installations.

Posted on 4/2/26 at 4:17 pm
Posted by Night Vision
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 4:17 pm
Posted by BarnHater
Member since May 2015
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 4:18 pm to
Good. An armed society is a polite society.
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 4:47 pm to
Good.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 9:22 pm to
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Good. An armed society is a polite society.


I feel like you have had different experiences than I with junior enlisted and good judgement/weapons on post. Typically they don't mix well
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 4/2/26 at 9:44 pm to
BS.

Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
15239 posts
Posted on 4/2/26 at 10:12 pm to
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I feel like you have had different experiences than I with junior enlisted and good judgement/weapons on post. Typically they don't mix well

A 2LT with a compass could get more people killed at once.

19 year olds are shitty with weapons when they're drinking, but we still make them gunners on M1s, give them automatic weapons, put them behind mortars, have them load JDAMs on carriers, etc. Just give the safety brief harder, that'll do the trick.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
21067 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 7:38 am to
If you can't be trusted with a weapon on or off duty you shouldn't be in the military.

Posted by theballguy
Huntsville Alabama
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:03 am to
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I feel like you have had different experiences than I with junior enlisted and good judgement/weapons on post. Typically they don't mix well



I would allow NCO's to carry (E4 or higher).
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37026 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:34 am to
You do realize that it's not their weapon, per se, it's the Army's or the Marine Corps. They are responsible for it, but they use it at the pleasure of the Army or Marine Corps or any other branch of the service. So thus, it's not their weapon .

Thousands of Junior Enlisted types with weapons in an unsupervised environment......what could go wrong?
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
21067 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 8:39 am to
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Thousands of Junior Enlisted types with weapons in an unsupervised environment......what could go wrong?


I'm retired military and I'll say it again. If you can't be trusted with a weapon on or off duty you shouldn't be in the military.

Nobody gives a frick what New Zealand thinks.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21754 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:29 am to
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I would allow NCO's to carry (E4 or higher).


I could buy into that.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21754 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:32 am to
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you can't be trusted with a weapon on or off duty you shouldn't be in the military.



Having seen some of the shenanigans first hand that happen in barracks, I just have a hard time thinking that conduct would improve with either personal or issued weapons in barracks. Also what problem is being solved by allowing it?
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37026 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:44 am to
The military has never trusted enlisted men with weapons on base state side unless during an exercise. They certainly are not going to trust 18-21 year olds with a loaded weapon. Your belief belies the reality of things. Thousands of people walking around with loaded weapons at any time without restriction and thus adequate supervision is stupid.

Remember, stupid is a choice.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37026 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 10:47 am to
There are some real whack job sergeants out there. I wouldn't take a chance. It's like waiting for something stupid and tragic to happen because of.....muh guns. Besides those weapons are not their weapons. Just their responsibility.
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
21067 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 11:33 am to
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The military has never trusted enlisted men with weapons on base state side unless during an exercise.


Not true. You really are a retard.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
37026 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 12:02 pm to
You're saying the military lets enlisted men walk around base stateside with fully loaded weapons who are not MPs or troops undergoing weapons training? Are you saying that it was not up to the garrison commander to allow only certain individuals to possess weapons whe not training and then only under exigent circumstances? You are saying there was a time when all enlisted individuals were allowed to carry a weapon with them at their leisure?
Posted by Night Vision
Member since Feb 2018
21067 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 12:07 pm to
Ahh, that's not what you said. This is what you said.

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The military has never trusted enlisted men with weapons on base state side unless during an exercise.

Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
38177 posts
Posted on 4/3/26 at 12:58 pm to
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You do realize that it's not their weapon, per se, it's the Army's or the Marine Corps. They are responsible for it, but they use it at the pleasure of the Army or Marine Corps or any other branch of the service. So thus, it's not their weapon .
This is about personally owned firearms. During my time, if you lived in the barracks your weapons had to be stored in the arms room. You had to sign them out if you wanted to take them to the range, hunting, or anything else. If you lived in on-post housing, it was usually up to the commander whether you could keep them in your residence or still store them in the arms room. Either way, transport was tightly controlled. You were only authorized to have them while traveling directly to and from your destination, and they had to be unloaded.

What’s being proposed here sounds like a loosening of that framework, potentially even moving toward some form of concealed or open carry on post. I don’t have an issue with that direction, but it should be limited to officers and NCOs, especially in barracks environments.

Anyone who’s served knows exactly what junior enlisted barracks can be like. It’s constant partying, alcohol, bad decisions, and zero foresight. Someone here once put it perfectly: military drinking is to college drinking what college drinking is to high school drinking. I’m completely certain that if firearms had been accessible in the barracks when I was a private, you’d be dealing with shots fired in some manner at least once a week.
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