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Anybody love the fact that Trump just got the left to ARGUE conservative view to SCOTUS

Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:31 am
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6449 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:31 am
You gotta love the fact that the Attorney suing the Trump admin, Katyal (clerck under Kegan and Obama guy) is arguing conservative points of view to the SCOTUS.

This is just fricking funny:

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Katyal says that if the court rules against the government, the administration has plenty of other trade authorities it can turn to. That’s true. As we’ve written, there are a range of other authorities that allow the president to impose tariffs that could be just as sweeping


So Atilo asks:

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whether the Supreme Court should address President Trump’s authority to impose tariffs under authorities other than the law at issue in the case.


So he set this guy up perfectly. Justice Alito asked Katyal about his argument that the Trump administration’s tariffs violate the “nondelegation doctrine,” a legal theory that prevents Congress from delegating its legislative powers to other branches of government. The doctrine has been pushed in recent years primarily by conservative legal groups.

The exchange:

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“I wonder if you ever thought that your legacy as a constitutional advocate would be the man who revived the nondelegation argument?” Justice Alito asked of Katyal, who served in the Obama administration.


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Mr. Katyal was quick to respond. “Heck yes, Justice Alito. I think Justice Gorsuch nailed it on the head when saying that when you’re dealing with a statute that is this open-ended — unlike anything we’ve ever seen — to give the President this power.”



LMAO!

So let's get this straight.

1- They admit Trump can do this anyway. That there are many other ways to do this.

2- But at the same time, should they win, removes the next DEM the authority to use this for things like climate change etc..... WHICH they have threatened before.

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Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297639 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:32 am to
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- But at the same time, should they win, removes the next DEM the authority to use this for things like climate change etc..... WHICH they have threatened before.


Which would fit perfectly with Trumps tactics.

I dont know why you cant see this.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467262 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:34 am to
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1- They admit Trump can do this anyway. That there are many other ways to do this.


*potential avenues to try this

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2- But at the same time, should they win, removes the next DEM the authority to use this for things like climate change etc..... WHICH they have threatened before.

Did you miss the Biden student loan ruling, or something?

And oral arguments in this case have no precedential value, or value outside of this setting (and its minimal in this setting, mind you)
Posted by Bama Mountain
Member since Oct 2025
961 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:36 am to
I do love the fact that Trump is losing badly on this. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh are clearly not buying it. I think it will be 6-3 against.



Posted by BarnHater
Member since May 2015
7816 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:37 am to
Trump has played this masterfully. Liberals have no idea how bad last night will be for them in the long run.
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
40603 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:41 am to
Didn't the administration attorney also respond to Gorsuch that climate change would be a legitimate reason for exercising this authority?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
467262 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:44 am to
I think so
Posted by BCreed1
Alabama
Member since Jan 2024
6449 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 11:47 am to
An emerging theme, from several justices, is that the president’s concededly broad power to shut down trade generally may include the lesser power to impose tariffs. That echoes the administration’s position.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
112768 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:24 pm to
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the president’s concededly broad power to shut down trade generally may include the lesser power to impose tariffs


This makes total sense.

If he can completely halt trade with other countries (which would tremendously and adversly impact consumers, importers, exporters, etc.), then how does he not have the power to merely make trade a little more expensive?
Posted by geauxtigers
biloxi ms
Member since Nov 2003
2578 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:47 pm to
stfu fig
Posted by Tigergreg
Metairie
Member since Feb 2005
24487 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 12:51 pm to
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I do love the fact that Trump is losing badly on this.


OK.
Posted by BTROleMisser
Murica'
Member since Nov 2017
9894 posts
Posted on 11/5/25 at 1:53 pm to
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Trump has played this masterfully. Liberals have no idea how bad last night will be for them in the long run.


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