Funny comment by National Review’s Jim Geraghty about Karine Jean-Pierre

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Sorry, I’m not trying to be dense. I’m a little unclear about what this has to do with Democratic leaders and many Democrats in the country thinking that Joe Biden was going to lose to Donald Trump—which was what the polls all showed—and therefore thinking that he should be replaced.

O.K., wait a minute. Hold on a second. Nobody knows anything. Nobody knows what would’ve happened. People also thought that if you replace Joe Biden we were going to win, or have a better chance of winning. Millions of people who showed up in 2020 didn’t show up in 2024. We can’t forget that there was an incumbency issue as well. This is real. There are, like, several G-10 countries with incumbents who did not get reëlected. There was an incumbency issue as well.

I’m not sure what you’re saying.

No, no, no. Wait a minute. You are saying that this was their thinking, and they were kind of predicting. But nobody knew what was going to happen. Nobody knew that Joe Biden was going to win in 2020. Nobody knew what was going to happen in 2024. People believed in their hearts that Kamala was going to win. They believed it. They saw the polling and they thought she was going to win, looking at the polling. Nobody knew anything. I’m only bringing up the polls because you brought up the polls to me.

You said you were speaking as a Black woman who’s part of the L.G.B.T.Q. community, and I think people were very—
I’m talking about in this moment, too. I do not feel seen in the Party because I think they’re throwing the L.G.B.T.Q. community under the bus.

They’re not fighting enough for migrants and immigrants. You have to be a big-tent party. You have to fight for everyone.

I’m just still trying to understand. You argue that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy. A lot of people thought that Biden was not the best person to go up against Trump in the summer of 2024—after his debate, with his approval ratings in the basement. Shouldn’t those people have tried to give Democrats the best chance to replace Trump? You’re talking about Biden like loyalty was owed to him. Isn’t loyalty owed to the country?

No, that’s not what I’m saying. I’m not talking about that. I’m saying that this is not how you treat somebody.

Is this a matter of how you treat someone, or a matter of putting the country first?

Wait a minute, wait a minute. Treating somebody with dignity is not the same as loyalty. I mean, the way he was treated, I had never . . . if you had seen something like that in the Democratic Party, please, please, point that out.

So what was an example of the way he was treated?

I mean, it was nasty articles that were coming out daily. You should go back and see for yourself. You’re writing the articles, right? You should go back and see for yourself. It was a campaign. It was even reported that it was a campaign.

So you think asking him to step aside was O.K., but there shouldn’t have been nasty articles?

Look, what I am saying is it shouldn’t have happened that way.

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