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Posted on 10/14/25 at 7:53 am
Posted on 10/14/25 at 7:53 am
What do you all suggest? I plan to run the power building GreySkull through a reset then regular GreySkull with the standard lifts back again after that. After however many months this takes I would think 531 but there are so many templates now which ones do you guys prefer? I’ve done 531 quite a bit years ago but it was from the old original tnation articles.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 8:21 am to Blue52
what do you need as far as weakness? for basic general conditioning I suggest the krypteia template. If you are truely just looking to say in shape, that is what I suggest
but it all depends on what you are looking for. The PPSA programs are popular because it is all laid out for you and you can use the same 531 progression doing a 85-90% training max, adding 5lbs to that every month for upper, 10lbs for lower. allows you to not get bored to
if you are set on 531 buy the forever book. you will not regret it.
but if you are looking for basic fitness
531 krypteia making sure you do the sprints, jumps, throws, every training day first will make a big difference over time.
but it all depends on what you are looking for. The PPSA programs are popular because it is all laid out for you and you can use the same 531 progression doing a 85-90% training max, adding 5lbs to that every month for upper, 10lbs for lower. allows you to not get bored to
if you are set on 531 buy the forever book. you will not regret it.
but if you are looking for basic fitness
531 krypteia making sure you do the sprints, jumps, throws, every training day first will make a big difference over time.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 9:05 am to lsu777
I have forever, those are the templates I was referring to. I was looking hard at the krypteia template or the fat loss template. I’m looking for general conditioning and 3 days a week is the best fit for my life right now with a young kid. I’d like to get stronger obviously but a slower progression is fine with me at this point.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 9:26 am to Blue52
then simply do the krypteia template, I suggest giving it 9 months. you can switch the accessories if you get bored.
assuming you are going to be doing S/B/D 3 day a week portion
upper accessories-
Pressing variant-
press- any variant
DB presses- any variant
dips
ring pushups
pulling variant-
chins/pullups/lat pulldown- any variant
rows- any variant but chest supported/bird dog/ring rows are all really good
lower-
squats- any variant but heel elevated goblet/box squats are best
lunge- reverse lunge/KOT/RFESS- these are what i recommend or heel elevated goblets for overall GPP because it hits the basic movement patterns
can also do leg press or hack squat machines if you wanted to but i dont recommend them for this template
hinge-
RDL/SLDL with DBs
GHD or reverse hyper
hip thrust
so imo it should look like this
-warmup- (10 min)- broomstick dislocates, hangs, band pull aparts, crawls(all manner of slow flat back bear crawls- forward/reverse/side to side)
sprints- 10 yard dash or 10-10 fly alternating between them. you do not need more than 10 yard dash or you risk pulling something, at least for now. or you could do sled pushes here. about 4 full go reps with about 45-1 min rest between them. better if timed
throws- about 4 or 5 full out throws with med balls. can rotate which ones you do but i would recommend doing rotational variants so you work that plane of motion. can rotate heavy and light med balls each time. I know most people cant actually measure these. just try and get better, its about working the rotation, something we dont get often as we get older.
jumps- recommend 4 or 5 dumbbell vertical jumps and simple broad jumps. rotating. you can do like 10s up to 40s for vertical jumps. If you can measure these to ensure max effort all the better. if not, just push yourself
to get better.
main lift- supersetted with the variants of your choice. Upper main/supplemental lift pairs with lower accessories and vice versa.
supplemental lift- supersetted with the variants of your choice. Upper main/supplemental lift pairs with lower accessories and vice versa.
you can finish off with farmers carries, sled work, weighted marches or some direct arm work.
key is to pick a variant or 2 and stick with them a couple cycles. dont over do it too fast trying to cram everything in either.
set a timer-
warmup should be 5-8 min
sprints- 5 min
throws- 3 min
jumps- 3-5 min
weight lifting including the all warmup sets(although shouldn't need too much)- 45-50 min. lower this over time as you get in better shape
if you want you can rotate the sprints and jumps too only doing 1 or the other. or rotate sprints and throws etc. do at least 2 of those 3 each session though.
assuming you are going to be doing S/B/D 3 day a week portion
upper accessories-
Pressing variant-
press- any variant
DB presses- any variant
dips
ring pushups
pulling variant-
chins/pullups/lat pulldown- any variant
rows- any variant but chest supported/bird dog/ring rows are all really good
lower-
squats- any variant but heel elevated goblet/box squats are best
lunge- reverse lunge/KOT/RFESS- these are what i recommend or heel elevated goblets for overall GPP because it hits the basic movement patterns
can also do leg press or hack squat machines if you wanted to but i dont recommend them for this template
hinge-
RDL/SLDL with DBs
GHD or reverse hyper
hip thrust
so imo it should look like this
-warmup- (10 min)- broomstick dislocates, hangs, band pull aparts, crawls(all manner of slow flat back bear crawls- forward/reverse/side to side)
sprints- 10 yard dash or 10-10 fly alternating between them. you do not need more than 10 yard dash or you risk pulling something, at least for now. or you could do sled pushes here. about 4 full go reps with about 45-1 min rest between them. better if timed
throws- about 4 or 5 full out throws with med balls. can rotate which ones you do but i would recommend doing rotational variants so you work that plane of motion. can rotate heavy and light med balls each time. I know most people cant actually measure these. just try and get better, its about working the rotation, something we dont get often as we get older.
jumps- recommend 4 or 5 dumbbell vertical jumps and simple broad jumps. rotating. you can do like 10s up to 40s for vertical jumps. If you can measure these to ensure max effort all the better. if not, just push yourself
to get better.
main lift- supersetted with the variants of your choice. Upper main/supplemental lift pairs with lower accessories and vice versa.
supplemental lift- supersetted with the variants of your choice. Upper main/supplemental lift pairs with lower accessories and vice versa.
you can finish off with farmers carries, sled work, weighted marches or some direct arm work.
key is to pick a variant or 2 and stick with them a couple cycles. dont over do it too fast trying to cram everything in either.
set a timer-
warmup should be 5-8 min
sprints- 5 min
throws- 3 min
jumps- 3-5 min
weight lifting including the all warmup sets(although shouldn't need too much)- 45-50 min. lower this over time as you get in better shape
if you want you can rotate the sprints and jumps too only doing 1 or the other. or rotate sprints and throws etc. do at least 2 of those 3 each session though.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:30 am to lsu777
Thanks for the break down. Would you recommend running everything back up with GreySkull before switching to this or is it personal preference? Last time I failed at 245 for sets of 5 on bench, 170 for sets of 3 on press, deadlift 370 sumo 405 conventional on a top set of 5, and squats 345 for 3s.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:48 am to Blue52
up to you, i would prolly just switch if you have already run the LP
Posted on 10/14/25 at 12:24 pm to lsu777
Thanks I will either switch in the next little bit or possibly at the first of the year. Should I try to get actual maxes or just use a calculator on those numbers? And do you recommend the 85% TM or lower? I know in the past I’ve used 90.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:53 pm to Blue52
just estimate it and do 85%.
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:48 pm to lsu777
Thanks for the time man, I assume this is ok to run in cut? I’d like to drop 15-20 more lbs but the overall goal is to be able to run around with my kid for years to come as he’s 2 and I’m an older dad (36), stay in shape for my hobbies which are hiking/hunting/etc, and look better than the average dad.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:35 am to Blue52
yea it perfect for that. You might need to lower to 80% TM once you get really deep in the cut though
this is athletic template, used to train athletes and those looking just to be better movers overall, thats what wendler designed it for.
you can also do it in circuit fashion like this
LINK
or 2 days
LINK
Rhodes version
LINK
the other template I recommend when cutting is the beginner prep school except we use an 80% tm at max, at least while cutting.
this is athletic template, used to train athletes and those looking just to be better movers overall, thats what wendler designed it for.
you can also do it in circuit fashion like this
LINK
or 2 days
LINK
Rhodes version
LINK
the other template I recommend when cutting is the beginner prep school except we use an 80% tm at max, at least while cutting.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:16 am to lsu777
I was going to ask your opinion on the redux, do you think that’s a better template than the original? I’ve done the LCI before with 531 as the main lift and it was similar. I did the bench workout last night with an 85% TM and it smoked me with 35lb DBs for the squats and RDLs but I was able to finish it in at least 45 mins probably less.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:30 am to Blue52
both are fine, i would pick one, run it for 2-3 cycles, then maybe run the other just to see which one you like best.
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:35 pm to lsu777
Thanks I’ll run the original through since I started it already. It was a nice change of pace I’ve been on the LP for 6-7 months
Posted on 10/19/25 at 5:54 pm to Blue52
The cycles for this 3 weeks and a deload or a 6 week cycle? It says to run through the first phase 2x I assume this is 6 weeks of training?
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