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Posted on 10/14/25 at 7:53 am
Posted by Blue52
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Posted on 10/14/25 at 7:53 am
What do you all suggest? I plan to run the power building GreySkull through a reset then regular GreySkull with the standard lifts back again after that. After however many months this takes I would think 531 but there are so many templates now which ones do you guys prefer? I’ve done 531 quite a bit years ago but it was from the old original tnation articles.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/14/25 at 8:21 am to
what do you need as far as weakness? for basic general conditioning I suggest the krypteia template. If you are truely just looking to say in shape, that is what I suggest

but it all depends on what you are looking for. The PPSA programs are popular because it is all laid out for you and you can use the same 531 progression doing a 85-90% training max, adding 5lbs to that every month for upper, 10lbs for lower. allows you to not get bored to


if you are set on 531 buy the forever book. you will not regret it.

but if you are looking for basic fitness

531 krypteia making sure you do the sprints, jumps, throws, every training day first will make a big difference over time.
Posted by Blue52
Member since May 2023
32 posts
Posted on 10/14/25 at 9:05 am to
I have forever, those are the templates I was referring to. I was looking hard at the krypteia template or the fat loss template. I’m looking for general conditioning and 3 days a week is the best fit for my life right now with a young kid. I’d like to get stronger obviously but a slower progression is fine with me at this point.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 10/14/25 at 9:26 am to
then simply do the krypteia template, I suggest giving it 9 months. you can switch the accessories if you get bored.

assuming you are going to be doing S/B/D 3 day a week portion

upper accessories-

Pressing variant-
press- any variant
DB presses- any variant
dips
ring pushups


pulling variant-
chins/pullups/lat pulldown- any variant
rows- any variant but chest supported/bird dog/ring rows are all really good




lower-

squats- any variant but heel elevated goblet/box squats are best
lunge- reverse lunge/KOT/RFESS- these are what i recommend or heel elevated goblets for overall GPP because it hits the basic movement patterns

can also do leg press or hack squat machines if you wanted to but i dont recommend them for this template



hinge-
RDL/SLDL with DBs
GHD or reverse hyper
hip thrust



so imo it should look like this

-warmup- (10 min)- broomstick dislocates, hangs, band pull aparts, crawls(all manner of slow flat back bear crawls- forward/reverse/side to side)


sprints- 10 yard dash or 10-10 fly alternating between them. you do not need more than 10 yard dash or you risk pulling something, at least for now. or you could do sled pushes here. about 4 full go reps with about 45-1 min rest between them. better if timed

throws- about 4 or 5 full out throws with med balls. can rotate which ones you do but i would recommend doing rotational variants so you work that plane of motion. can rotate heavy and light med balls each time. I know most people cant actually measure these. just try and get better, its about working the rotation, something we dont get often as we get older.

jumps- recommend 4 or 5 dumbbell vertical jumps and simple broad jumps. rotating. you can do like 10s up to 40s for vertical jumps. If you can measure these to ensure max effort all the better. if not, just push yourself
to get better.


main lift- supersetted with the variants of your choice. Upper main/supplemental lift pairs with lower accessories and vice versa.

supplemental lift- supersetted with the variants of your choice. Upper main/supplemental lift pairs with lower accessories and vice versa.


you can finish off with farmers carries, sled work, weighted marches or some direct arm work.

key is to pick a variant or 2 and stick with them a couple cycles. dont over do it too fast trying to cram everything in either.

set a timer-
warmup should be 5-8 min
sprints- 5 min
throws- 3 min
jumps- 3-5 min

weight lifting including the all warmup sets(although shouldn't need too much)- 45-50 min. lower this over time as you get in better shape

if you want you can rotate the sprints and jumps too only doing 1 or the other. or rotate sprints and throws etc. do at least 2 of those 3 each session though.
Posted by Blue52
Member since May 2023
32 posts
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:30 am to
Thanks for the break down. Would you recommend running everything back up with GreySkull before switching to this or is it personal preference? Last time I failed at 245 for sets of 5 on bench, 170 for sets of 3 on press, deadlift 370 sumo 405 conventional on a top set of 5, and squats 345 for 3s.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36506 posts
Posted on 10/14/25 at 11:48 am to
up to you, i would prolly just switch if you have already run the LP
Posted by Blue52
Member since May 2023
32 posts
Posted on 10/14/25 at 12:24 pm to
Thanks I will either switch in the next little bit or possibly at the first of the year. Should I try to get actual maxes or just use a calculator on those numbers? And do you recommend the 85% TM or lower? I know in the past I’ve used 90.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36506 posts
Posted on 10/14/25 at 2:53 pm to
just estimate it and do 85%.
Posted by Blue52
Member since May 2023
32 posts
Posted on 10/14/25 at 4:48 pm to
Thanks for the time man, I assume this is ok to run in cut? I’d like to drop 15-20 more lbs but the overall goal is to be able to run around with my kid for years to come as he’s 2 and I’m an older dad (36), stay in shape for my hobbies which are hiking/hunting/etc, and look better than the average dad.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36506 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 7:35 am to
yea it perfect for that. You might need to lower to 80% TM once you get really deep in the cut though

this is athletic template, used to train athletes and those looking just to be better movers overall, thats what wendler designed it for.

you can also do it in circuit fashion like this

LINK

or 2 days

LINK

Rhodes version

LINK





the other template I recommend when cutting is the beginner prep school except we use an 80% tm at max, at least while cutting.
Posted by Blue52
Member since May 2023
32 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:16 am to
I was going to ask your opinion on the redux, do you think that’s a better template than the original? I’ve done the LCI before with 531 as the main lift and it was similar. I did the bench workout last night with an 85% TM and it smoked me with 35lb DBs for the squats and RDLs but I was able to finish it in at least 45 mins probably less.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
36506 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 8:30 am to
both are fine, i would pick one, run it for 2-3 cycles, then maybe run the other just to see which one you like best.
Posted by Blue52
Member since May 2023
32 posts
Posted on 10/15/25 at 2:35 pm to
Thanks I’ll run the original through since I started it already. It was a nice change of pace I’ve been on the LP for 6-7 months
Posted by Blue52
Member since May 2023
32 posts
Posted on 10/19/25 at 5:54 pm to
The cycles for this 3 weeks and a deload or a 6 week cycle? It says to run through the first phase 2x I assume this is 6 weeks of training?
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