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Going to build a cheap PCC

Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:20 pm
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:20 pm
It's initially going to be a range toy, until and unless it proves 100% reliable. If it does, at that point I might consider other uses... but I'm still fine with what I have.

I was wandering around the internet looking at stuff, came across this-
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I decided to order it, with the option for the 9mm bcg added. Used a coupon to bring it down some, ended up being right at $200 shipped.
*They clearly made a mistake with my order, in my favor. I did receive everything shown in the picture, along with the bcg. But they also sent me an additional bcg and an endomag. The endomag, in theory, let's me try it with one of my existing lowers

I was thinking on lowers, decided to go with this
LINK

Again, coupons (they're out there), got it down to $252 assembled, with free shipping (starts at $250). I can assemble a lower, but when I saw I could get it already put together for the same price, why not. Should come in next week, with transfer fee still going to be under $500 total.

I like that the brace alone runs $100, and the EPC is stated to have last round bolt hold-open.

I'm exploring some knowledge at some sites, I think it's 9mmblowback, about buffer weights and whatnot. I don't actually have a glock , but a buddy has plenty of mags, and they're cheap if I can get it running. Have plenty of red dots handy for it too.

I know Finchmeister was messing about with PCCs, couldn't find his thread.
Posted by Buck_Rogers
Member since Jul 2013
2064 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 12:38 pm to
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If it does, at that point I might consider other uses

It will always be a range toy.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22688 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 1:15 pm to
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It will always be a range toy.

And that's fine. I have plenty of firearms; ARs, shotguns, pistols etc.
My 4am "what was that?" continues to be my P226 with Gold Dots. It's just too handy, and I'm too comfortable and confident with it in the closed quarters of being inside my own house.



Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
27939 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 1:21 pm to
I have a Aero EPC 9mm and it’s been good.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22688 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 2:47 pm to
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I have a Aero EPC 9mm and it’s been good.

Great, school me
Did you change anything, or is it as it came? And what's the buffer, tube, spring, etc? If yours runs, I'd like baseline specs.

And again, I don't have Glocks, I have Sigs and CZs in handguns. This will be my first "Glock" magazine experience, so I could use advice on acceptable/cheap mags.
*I don't want a drum , the 30 rd sticks will be plenty for me. Hell, standard 15 rd mags would be ok, if the price is cheap enough.
Posted by Bongo
Member since Aug 2020
209 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 4:46 pm to
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This will be my first "Glock" magazine experience, so I could use advice on acceptable/cheap mags.


I've had good luck with the Magpul magazines for Glocks.
Posted by bbvdd
Memphis, TN
Member since Jun 2009
27939 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 4:55 pm to
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Did you change anything, or is it as it came? And what's the buffer, tube, spring, etc? If yours runs, I'd like baseline specs.


I ordered the upper and lower separately but both are Aero. Didn’t change anything there as they ran fine without any changes. Pretty sure I’m just using an Aero buffer.

I bought this after I bought a B&T APC9 that take Glock mags. So I had 6-7 30+ rd Glock mags. Use those.
Posted by lsufan1971
Zachary
Member since Nov 2003
23451 posts
Posted on 6/20/25 at 6:39 pm to
I have a 9mm SBR built on a CMMG 9mm colt lower. If you plan on ever suppressing go with a 4.5” barrel. You can run 147’s and velocity is subsonic out of the 4.5”. PCC can be reliable. I don’t have any issues with mine cycling good ammo.
This post was edited on 6/20/25 at 6:41 pm
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22688 posts
Posted on 6/26/25 at 10:42 am to
Update, I picked the lower up yesterday. DTT did a nice job assembling it, it does have the 8 oz KAK extended buffer in it. And they threw in a 33 rd Glock mag, which wasn't listed in the description. So for those keeping score on the price, that's a $30 mag and a $100 brace, in addition to the assembled lower. Not bad.

Haven't had time to go shooting yet, I do plan on it soon. I've got a New Frontier upper on the way with another barrel, going to build a 2nd upper for it (the New Frontier uppers are the same as the Aero, for compatible with LRBHO).
Posted by SpookeyTiger
Williamsburg, MO
Member since Jan 2012
3600 posts
Posted on 6/28/25 at 3:45 am to
Have the CMMG Banshee that takes M17 mags and it has run flawlessly. Never had any feeding or functioning issues. Run it suppressed with a light and green dot on top.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22688 posts
Posted on 6/28/25 at 9:12 pm to
The New Frontier upper came today, we just assembled it. So now, I have 2 uppers- one with last round bolt hold open (compatible with Aero lower), and one without (which would run but not hold the bolt back on the Aero, but for sake of discussion would work with a Foxtrot Mike lower). Hmm, might have to watch July 4th sales...
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22688 posts
Posted on 7/31/25 at 10:52 pm to
Ok, quick update. I finally had time to take them both to the range and put a couple hundred rounds through them. Figured I'd report back, in case anyone is interested.


Gun #1: Aero EPC lower. I did go to Aero and buy the EPC buffer from them, and swapped it in. New Frontier upper, with a $50-60 barrel (8.5"), and the handguard from the Zaviar kit.
I put an old Tasco Accudot red dot tube on it, which still works and I like the retro form factor.

Gun #2: Foxtrot Mike lower. I ordered a deadblow buffer from Macon Armory, and swapped that in. Upper was the rest of the kit from Zaviar (a 9mm profile upper from Anderson, an 8.5" barrel without index tab). I put a 8 inch Yankee Hill handguard I got on deep clearance a couple years ago (keymod, so they dropped the price to under $40).
Put one of the "romeo" clone red dots on that.

Magazines: 1 Glock 33 rd mag (from the Zaviar kit), a Korean 33 rd mag, and a super-cheap ETS mag (gunmag warehouse has them for under $8 apiece).
Ammo: I scooped out some reloads from LAX, into a ziplock. I believe they were 124gr FMJ. I have a couple ammo cans full of them, figured they would be the cheapest brass (didn't want to try steel or aluminum in a first run).

Ok, performance. I'd used a cheap universal bore laser to zero both red dots, at the longest stretch inside my house- from my son's head of bed in his bedroom, to the far wall in our living room. That goes the length of his room, the width of the hallway, and the length of the living room diagonally- so maybe 20 yds, give or take.
Both guns, indoor range, target at 25 yds- sights were dead-on and held zero fine for that session. I used some NRA 12-bull targets, put the dot on the middle bull of the second row- and blew that out. Just standing, guns not using any bench support, "braced" offhand (yeah, the brace went against my body in the usual way).

I shot mags with 5 rds, then with 10 rds.

Gun #1, the Aero- flawless. Not a single issue from first shot to last. All magazines ran fine. Bolt held open after last round for each.

Gun #2, the Foxtrot Mike- a couple break-in issues?
Very first mag- 5 rds with Glock mag- I had 3 "lock bolt back" events. Not jams, not FTF, the bolt would lock back on firing. I'd hit the bolt release, it would feed and I could shoot.
2nd mag- Korean, 5 rds, I had one such event. ** that mag, in that lower, locks back with one rd left in the mag, no matter how many or few I loaded into it**
3rd mag- cheapo ETS mag with 5 rds. Felt like it would shatter if I dropped it ; but it ran without issue.

2nd round of shooting, same as before- 5 out of each. Glock ran clean this time, and the ETS again was good. Again the Korean locked back with a rd left.

3rd round of shooting, 10 rds in mags. Clean for the Glock and the ETS, Korean locked back with a rd.

So, the first time through I did run into some issues with the Glock mag, in the FM9. That disappeared afterwards. And when I say "issue", it's simply: the bolt is locking back with ammo still in the magazine. It is not a jam, it is not a failure to feed. I hit the bolt release and it charges the gun. And that only persisted with 1 mag, the Korean.

Of note... while I say the Aero is gun #1, that was for typing purposes. I shot the Foxtrot Mike first; the very first mag was Glock, with 5 rds, with the multiple lockback issue. I shot about 50-60 rds through that, then swapped over to the Aero for about 60, then back to the FM for the rest.

After getting home, I went and swapped in a new carbine buffer spring into the FM9, that might have been the issue. I think I used a Franklin Armory xtra power spring in that, from a binary trigger kit. Otherwise, I'm going to keep actual Glock mag with the FM9 and use the Korean with the Aero.

And shooting- the fun factor is off the charts . There's some bouncing, but recoil is softer than 223. Probably about halfway between that and a 22lr. At my size and build, these guns sit very comfortably and naturally with the brace . And I agree with the general internet consensus, that 8 inches is the sweet spot on this.
Accuracy- impressive for a 9mm . I was mainly shooting to see if it was on paper, and if I had any failures. That said, yeah- if I had been focusing on bullseyes, I think both would do so easily.
Posted by Scoob
Near Exxon
Member since Jun 2009
22688 posts
Posted on 8/2/25 at 2:19 pm to
To clarify-

I went ahead and picked up a 2nd lower, a Foxtrot Mike FM9.

Primary Arms had a sale in early July (placed my order 7/2); you had to search in order to find it: blemished complete lower was $149. Can't beat that and I can't find the blemish.

That gives me one of each style; the FM can take any random upper, and give LRBHO.
The Aero EPC, you need an Aero, New Frontier Armory, or JoeBob Spartan upper for that feature.

The FM9 is a very tight fit to the upper, but I see that's mentioned online, and I've had regular ARs do that too. It's loosened up now.

I didn't get any "enhanced feed cone" barrels, and these that I bought run great.

I did splurge for the buffers. Blowback9 goes into serious detail, you do want a 4", 8oz deadblow buffer, and a standard AR carbine buffer spring.

The Aero runs with any mag I've tried, the FM gave me a locked-back bolt with 1 rd left in the Korean mag.
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