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Here’s a Facebook post that describes exactly what happened with Z and Trump yesterday…
Posted on 3/1/25 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 3/1/25 at 2:38 pm
I won’t bore you with a Facebook link, but I’ll copy/paste what was said:
Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.
Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.
Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.
When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.
Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.
Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.
So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.
This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.
Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.
Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democrats' support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.
They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.
Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.
By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.
Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.
Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone.
Credit:benson
Many of you probably watched what took place between Donald Trump and Zelenskyy tonight. Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican, you might be thinking to yourself, Oh my God, Donald Trump just screwed up.
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.
Donald Trump has been under constant political persecution since the beginning of his first term. Over time, he has learned to be patient and calculated.
Tonight, Zelenskyy was invited to the Oval Office. However, both Trump and JD Vance knew exactly what Zelenskyy was going to do—he would use this opportunity, in front of the American people, to make a power play. Both Trump and Vance anticipated this.
When Zelenskyy began appealing to the emotions of the American people, JD Vance stepped in, accusing him of disrespecting Donald Trump. This was brilliant strategy. It’s important to understand that Zelenskyy is trying to gain access to NATO.
Trump knew this but could not allow it to happen. If Ukraine joins NATO, the U.S. would be bound by NATO’s collective defense agreement—an attack on one is an attack on all.
Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.
So what you witnessed tonight was a setup. Trump and JD Vance knew that the only way to achieve peace was to strategically align, at least on the surface, with Russia. Why? Because Russia would never sign a peace treaty if Ukraine were admitted into NATO.
This is why Trump dismantled Zelenskyy’s argument. And when Zelenskyy, seeing his play failing, tried to backtrack and offer a treaty, Trump refused.
Zelenskyy’s real intent was clear—he would not agree to peace unless security guarantees were in place. But what was he actually saying? That NATO must accept Ukraine. However, Russia would never agree to peace, knowing that NATO, their historical adversary, would surround them.
Zelenskyy, Putin, and Trump all knew this. Zelenskyy, thinking he had Democrats' support, believed he could make this bold move on live television. But Trump and Vance saw right through it and outmaneuvered him.
They knew that, in the short term, Democrats and the media would try to use this moment against them. But they also knew they had two years before midterms to prove their strategy was the right one. So they held their ground—brilliantly so.
Now, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to back down and accept Trump's terms. But here’s the genius part—Trump is actually protecting Ukraine without dragging the U.S. into war.
By negotiating a mineral deal, Trump ensures that Americans will be involved in Ukraine’s mining industry. This prevents Russia from launching an invasion, because attacking Ukraine would mean endangering American lives—something that would force the U.S. to respond.
Trump played both sides like a master chess player. In the end, Zelenskyy will have no choice but to concede, because without U.S. support, Ukraine cannot win a prolonged war against Russia. And once U.S. companies have mining operations in Ukraine, Putin will be unable to attack without triggering massive international consequences.
Don’t underestimate Donald Trump. In this game of chess, he’s 10 moves ahead of everyone.
Credit:benson
Posted on 3/1/25 at 2:49 pm to finchmeister08
Excellent post. Reddit has been more insufferable than usual and people are literally hoping I go to hell after explaining the nuances of this situation.
We can’t share a society with people like that.
We can’t share a society with people like that.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 2:51 pm to finchmeister08
z is just a stooge for the MIC. your wall of text mskes me think you have no cluev what is really happening.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 2:54 pm to finchmeister08
I agree but WTH does this have to do with martial arts?
Posted on 3/1/25 at 2:54 pm to finchmeister08
Trump continues to deal by showing strength in matters. No more USA conceding to ridiculous terms and writing blank checks to the world.
America First!
America First!
Posted on 3/1/25 at 2:55 pm to finchmeister08
Posted on 3/1/25 at 2:58 pm to OBReb6
I don’t think they laid a trap. Z was supposed to smile and sign the deal. When he starting going at JD after 40 minutes, they went on the attack.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 3:00 pm to OBReb6
People without balls get really uncomfortable when people with balls negotiate.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 3:00 pm to Bunk Moreland
Yeah. I think JD and Trump were definitely on the same page that him being a little shite was a possibility, but the interaction as a whole was organic
Posted on 3/1/25 at 3:01 pm to finchmeister08
quote:
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy, let me explain the difference between what you believe you witnessed and what actually happened.
I stopped right there.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 3:13 pm to Bunk Moreland
You Ronniebots would rather eat a dirt sandwich than ever give President Trump credit for anything.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 3:15 pm to KCT
Relax, bro. It may have been 8D MAGA chess. I think Z was supposed to sign the deal in Kiev and Munich, so they may have known he would act a fool and were ready.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 3:16 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:Correct. Zelenskyy did that to himself. Whether or not Zelenskyy's attempt was preplanned in cahoots with Susan Rice et al remains to be seen.
I don’t think they laid a trap.
However, none of this stuff occurred in a vacuum. Zelenskyy was unhinged in his Feb 12th meeting with Bessent. He was obstinate in his Munich meeting with Rubio/Vance two days later. So JD and Trump knew what might occur.
When Zelenskyy stupidly, in a public forum, challenged JD on the concept of diplomacy, interrogating "... diplomacy JD, you are speaking about? What do you mean?" both JD and Trump were ready to crush him, and they did .... and it was well deserved.
This post was edited on 3/1/25 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 3/1/25 at 3:17 pm to OBReb6
Posted on 3/1/25 at 3:30 pm to finchmeister08
My SIL posted this to her Facebook page.. She has a lot of lesbion and liberal Trump haters in her family.. My SIL is a conservative but a private one... She is very close with her family and I am waiting to see the feedback she gets...
Posted on 3/1/25 at 3:33 pm to finchmeister08
quote:
However, as a lifelong practitioner of martial arts, strategy, and philosophy
quote:
That settles it.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 3:34 pm to KCT
quote:
You Ronniebots would rather eat a dirt sandwich than ever give President Trump credit for anything.
You Trump Loyalists would rather eat a cock sandwich than admit he has ever fricked up.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 3:39 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:
I don’t think they laid a trap. Z was supposed to smile and sign the deal. When he starting going at JD after 40 minutes, they went on the attack.
In battle you must be prepared for the fight to go in multiple directions. And plan accordingly.
Our guys did so, and switched to plan B.
Posted on 3/1/25 at 3:40 pm to finchmeister08
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Now consider the larger implications: Ukraine and Russia despise each other. If Ukraine were to become a NATO member, any future skirmish between them would obligate the U.S. to enter into direct conflict with Russia. This would mean World War III. And if that happened, China would have to choose a side—they would almost certainly align with Russia.
if Russia signs a peace treaty to stop invading Ukraine, why does it concern to them what Ukraine does after that?
if they intend to honor the peace agreement, nothing will happen
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