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Fall no till food plot question

Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:17 am
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 10:17 am
I did a summer mix in my plots and they did great. Main seed was Milo, pearl millet, deer vetch, buckwheat, cowpeas.

I’m wanting to take advantage of this rain and broadcast wheat, rye, oats, clover, and rape.

Is it okay to broadcast it into the standing stuff tomorrow and bush hog it down after then come back Saturday when it’s done raining and spray? My fear is the thatch is too thick being as its head high in some places. However, some people say that’s just going to be fertilizer for the new stuff?
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
18146 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 11:27 am to
Don’t see any issue with this so long as you’re spraying glyphosate and not something that will persist. Yes the thatch will help with moisture retention and germination, as long as you bushhog it down. The biggest issue I’ve seen with broadcasting into standing vegetation is I didn’t clip, and it both shaded and left the seed bare, which is a bad combo.

All that said it is still a little bit early. Might be better off cutting/spraying now and then broadcasting in a couple weeks, unless you are just dead set on getting it done.
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 11:31 am
Posted by Red Stick Rambler
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 12:32 pm to
You don't mention where you are located, but I want to second DrunkenTigah's comment that it may still be too early to plant. I hunt in SW Mississippi and anything planted before Oct. 1 is going to be wiped out by army worms.

I've been using a "throw-and-mow" planting strategy (poor-man's no till) for several years and don't even bother spraying - I plant wheat, clover and some brassicas (usually daikon radish) which outgrow the grass and weeds I mow down.
Posted by PT24-7
Member since Jul 2013
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 12:44 pm to
I’m in the Florida panhandle. Usually Oct is very dry so I was hoping to take advantage of this heavy rain and soggy thatch to lock in moisture. Is that wrong?
Posted by TheDrunkenTigah
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
18146 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:01 pm to
The thatch helps more in the morning to hold dew and will help, but it’s no substitute for rain and fall temps. I would cut and spray now, then wait until you see rain in the forecast in Oct to throw seed. This would give you a chance to let the volunteer seed you’re about to knock down onto the soil a chance to germinate, then if you spray again when you plant you’ll have cleared out a lot of the weed pressure.
Posted by turkish
Member since Aug 2016
2259 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:11 pm to
In my only somewhat educated opinion, you’re probably going to have trouble with that much thatch. It will impede this first crop especially in places where it windrows, wads up, or doesn’t make a nice even mat close to the ground.
This post was edited on 9/12/24 at 1:13 pm
Posted by Red Stick Rambler
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Posted on 9/12/24 at 1:20 pm to
quote:

I’m in the Florida panhandle. Usually Oct is very dry so I was hoping to take advantage of this heavy rain and soggy thatch to lock in moisture. Is that wrong?


The Florida panhandle has the essentially the same weather as here - and I assume the same pest-problems - and all I can tell you is that I never plant before Oct. 1 because of army worms. Planting right before a rain is not as important with throw-and-mow because the thatch layer protects the seed until it rains. There is one catch to that: if you have hogs - and I do - you have to worry about them rooting around in the fresh thatch and leaving they seed uncovered. I always have my seed and fertilizer ready to go byOct 1 and then wait to plant no more than a few days before rain.
Posted by Kashmir
Member since Dec 2014
9619 posts
Posted on 9/12/24 at 6:34 pm to
Bushhog it with the deck raised about a foot off the ground. There will be enough stubble left to help prevent thick clumps although I go back and lightly rake areas that look too matted to allow seed penetration. Wait a couple of weeks for new growth to start and then spray it. Plant and fertilize in mid-late October.
This is my third year of no plow and this process has worked very well in three plots. I plant turnips, rape, clover, cereal rye and wheat. Overseed it heavy!
I will never disk my plots again!
Posted by PetroAg
Member since Jun 2013
1871 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 7:03 am to
This is the last weekend we will be able to plant. We mowed down the plots a month ago but never sprayed.

I’ve seen some no till throw and mow videos and seems like everyone has their own version. I’m leaning towards broadcasting seed into the standing 8-12” vegetation, then bush hogging on the lowest setting.

My only concern is the next rain is next Friday at a 45% chance. Hopefully the mow clippings will cover the seed and protect it until we get a good rain, has anyone ever tried this method?
Posted by Cypressknee
Member since Jul 2017
1450 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 7:33 am to
I can’t disc due to the hogs we have. What I’ve found to work is bush hog then spread smaller seed they won’t go after, rape, turnip, etc. If you can spray you’ll have better results, too.
Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
11667 posts
Posted on 9/26/24 at 10:09 am to
we are spraying now...burning with fire Oct 15 and drilling after that. Then fertilizing.

No till
Posted by PetroAg
Member since Jun 2013
1871 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 8:49 am to
Still haven’t got a rain after we planted Sept 28. and nothing on the forecast. Hopefully it pops up if we get a shower here pretty soon
Posted by cchoque93
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
768 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 10:01 am to
We broadcast onto the standing vegetation and then run the cultipacker over it. No bush hogging
Posted by arczr2
Iota
Member since Oct 2020
302 posts
Posted on 10/10/24 at 11:49 am to
I'm going to try the domain no bs mix this season see how it goes. No machinery or equipment cane knife and a rake
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