re: Is anyone else not pushing their kids to attend college?

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Maybe it's different up here with the unions, but I know hundreds of guys in the field in various trades doing well. I'd say $100-$125k (plus good benefits and free training). It's probably best in the pipe trades or something like a millwright, I'm not quite as sure about a rough carpenter or brick/tile guy.

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what trades?

yall MFers will believe anything wont you?

[link=(The average Union Electrician salary in Michigan is $53,222 as of April 24, 2024, but the range typically falls between $46,221 and $61,534. ]LINK[/link]

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The estimate average salary for UA Local Union employees is around $83,414 per year, or the hourly rate of UA Local Union rate is $40. The highest earners in the top 75th percentile are paid over $95,442. Individual salaries will vary depending on the job, department, and location, as well as the employee’s level of education, certifications, and additional skills.

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According to salary.com, as of March 26, 2024, the average salary for a Millwright III in Michigan is $71,944. As of February 26, 2024, the average salary for a Millwright in Ann Arbor, Michigan is $66,220, with a typical range of $57,063–$76,269. As of March 26, 2024, the average salary for a Millwright II in Michigan is $62,783, with a typical range of $53,919–$72,276

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much does a Millwright III make in Michigan? The average Millwright III salary in Michigan is $72,134 as of April 24, 2024, but the range typically falls between $63,108 and $81,881.

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so yea your guys might make 100-125k with lots of overtime. like 500 hours of OT a year.