And Jarrett Allen is a good defensive big who averaged 17 and 11 on 63% from the field with a 66% TS%, and is a 1x All Star.

I'd guraantee if you polled non Pels and non Cavs fans or the Zach Lowes of the world, none would say Herb has more trade value than Allen.

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What Allen does is done by guys making less than half of what he does.

No, just no.

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All y'all do is bitch about wanting to shoot more 3's. Inserting Jarrett Allen into the starting lineup will make it even more difficult to shoot more 3's

Because the likelihood of getting a big who can hit a 3 and be a starter playing 28+ minutes is slim, but that doesn't mean you should just punt on the position and be shitty at it just because you can't get a big who can shoot the 3. I don't follow your logic here.

This goes back to the discussion we were having last week, every time we discuss a trade, and someone says they like it or would do it, that does not mean it's the top option and that poster's #1 favorite trade. It's just discussing that particular deal at the moment.

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Posted by TeddyPadillac

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Posted on 5/6/24 at 10:50 am to shel311

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And Jarrett Allen is a good defensive big who averaged 17 and 11 on 63% from the field with a 66% TS%, and is a 1x All Star.

I"m not saying he isn't good, or that i wouldn't want him.
We have too many other assets to give up if we want him, and there are other 5's in the league we can get that can fit our needs for less.

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I'd guraantee if you polled non Pels and non Cavs fans or the Zach Lowes of the world, none would say Herb has more trade value than Allen.

If there was a way to prove this, i'd say go ahead and do that b/c i don't believe that.
Herb is not Matisse Thybule. He can shoot. and he hits his free throws, and he can finish at the rim. He is literally a player every team in the league would love to have.

Seriously, if you add Herb to any team right now, which one doesn't start him? Celtics and who else? Literally every other team would move someone to the bench to start Herb and give him 30+ minutes a game.
Give me a list of guys who shoot 40% from 3, are all nba perimeter defenders, and will make under $15M/yr for the next 3 years. You want to bring up BI's future contract as a deterrent, then don't just piss away the fact that Herb has 3/$42M left on his deal. That's a huge advantage Herb has in his favor.

Here's the list of guys who play the 5 who had a better defensive FG% than Jarrett Allen this year.

Zubac
Kessler
Gobert
Porzingis
Chet
Hartenstein
Isaac
Wemby
Brook Lopez
AD
Claxton
Goga
Gafford
Capela

Day'Ron Sharpe was at 57.5% compared to Jarrett Allen's 55.9%
Trace jackson David, Santi Aldama, Isaiah Jackson and Jalen Smith were all in that same % or better than Sharpe.

One of those guys on that list we can get for basically nothing, but sure, lets give up Herb b/c Jarrett Allen is "Herb much better" than Claxton.

Again, Allen is a really good center, and i love his hustle. I'd love to have him, but he does not hold more value than a 40% 3 point shooter who's one of the best defenders in the league. It's astonishing to me that all of you who want us to throw up as many 3's as possible can think Allen is more valuable than Herb.

This post was edited on 5/6/24 at 11:00 am

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