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triple option, shepard

Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:26 am
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:26 am
watching navy right now, and i got to tell you, the triple option does not scare me at all. If it was w virginia with white/devine maybe. Seems to me that once the ball is snaped, its either handed off or kept by the quaterback. As long as the d line shuts that down, its simply a option play. as long as our linbackers stay diciplined and don't bite every play i think we roll georgia tech. I would be much more concerned if they had even a decent passing game.

Also it almost seems just from watching the setup that shepard will indeed run this type of offense to some degree, and he would be absolutely terrifying in that offense with trindon and debose possibly.

and if you throw in the threat of passing on a play action lets say while in motion doesnt that make it a quaddruple option
Posted by loustuni
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:29 am to
When we defended it in school we made the DE take QB, outside LB take first RB and either the corner or safety take Second RB!

Not hard
Posted by Port City
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:30 am to
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When we defended it in school we made the DE take QB, outside LB take first RB and either the corner or safety take Second RB! Not hard


Please tell me you have already contacted LM
Posted by loustuni
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:32 am to
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Please tell me you have already contacted LM



I know i make it sound easy but stick to the assignments and it will pay off..
Posted by stinger78
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:33 am to
Josh Nesbitt, Jonathan Dwyer, Roddy Jones and WR Demarius Thomas >>> anything Navy puts on the field. We were 16 ypg behind them in our first year running the O, and going against the likes of Boston College, VA Tech, Mississippi State, Clemson, Florida State, Miami and the University(sic) of Georgia on D.

We also now have the evil genius of option football on our sideline.... Just sayin'.

Apples and Oranges.
This post was edited on 12/20/08 at 10:36 am
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:41 am to
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Apples and Oranges.


pretty much.

Navy does not have the athletes georgia tech has.
Posted by loustuni
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:42 am to
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This post was edited on 12/20/08 at 10:43 am
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:43 am to
I do think you guys will be better no doubt, all i am saying the gloom and doom metality of the triple option is overblown. It does not look like its that hard to defend. If you ran a true spread like texas tech, i would be afraid. Very afraid

not saying you guys wont win. I have no clue what tiger team will show up, or what kind of personel the will put in postion on the field. If they put the guys in the right places and are motivated and stay disciplined we win. If not
Posted by YoungMoney
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:45 am to
At this is why Navy is up 10 at the moment...
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:50 am to
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triple option, shepard
At this is why Navy is up 10 at the moment...
they did fumble and a guy on navy just picked it up and ran for a touchdown, when everyone thought the play was dead. easy score.
Posted by stinger78
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 10:50 am to
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I do think you guys will be better no doubt, all i am saying the gloom and doom metality of the triple option is overblown. It does not look like its that hard to defend. If you ran a true spread like texas tech, i would be afraid. Very afraid

not saying you guys wont win. I have no clue what tiger team will show up, or what kind of personel the will put in postion on the field. If they put the guys in the right places and are motivated and stay disciplined we win.


This is true against any O you play.

If I had to guess, I'd say your DL will shut down the dive early. It's the easiest part of the option to stop. The rest will be about whether you want the ball in our QB's hands or to make him pitch. Your DE play will determine this.

Then it's all about how you stop that final man with the ball. Will you roll up DB help, or can your OLB get off the block (often a double) and make the play? If not, and you have to leave Demarius Thomas (6'4" 230) in single coverage, the pass will be open at times for BIG yards.

If you can cover all that, you can stop the option. We'll see.
This post was edited on 12/20/08 at 10:52 am
Posted by GTsaltheart
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 11:42 am to
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When we defended it in school we made the DE take QB, outside LB take first RB and either the corner or safety take Second RB!


So if it wasn't hard I guess the O you went against didn't block. No offense is hard to defend in that case.

Expect us to block some of those people you assign to defend.

Also, you didn't mention how you covered the wr and a backs against a pass in hs? We do and will pass if you don't cover them.

Who would you assign on this formation?

On the far left side we have a wr. Next comes the OL with the ball on the right hash. On the short side out wide is the other wr. One yard off the line is an a back inside the wr, with another a back on the wing on the wide side and the qb under center. The b back is behind the qb 4 yards off the los.

How did you pass protect this formation in HS?

This is how ugag defended. They assigned the cb's to cover both wr's. They assigned a safety to cover the outside a back and a olb to cover the inside a back. On the short side they had a safety deep who was assigned to the option pitch on that side. The DE on that side was assigned to the qb. The MLB was assigned to cover the B back dive. We cut blocked the DT on the wide side, doubled the DT on the short side and blocked the OLB. The wr on the short side ran a slant and BLOCKED the safety (who was assinged to cover the pitch) on that side and the corner back followed him in coverage, as he was assigned. We pitched to the option a back who went 60 yards untouched before being tackled.

Yes sir, it is not hard. Now how did you defend that play in hs?
This post was edited on 12/20/08 at 11:57 am
Posted by Lambskin
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 11:59 am to
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Now how dis you defend that play in hs?


Quite easily, I went to high school with Tyson Jackson, who shed the short side double, and Quinn Johnson (would played lb in hs) he would blow up the play in the backfield; minus yards every time, I loved playing teams who ran this play. I really hope GT runs it every time on the 31st.

:lol:
Posted by GTsaltheart
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 12:14 pm to
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Quite easily, I went to high school with Tyson Jackson, who shed the short side double, and Quinn Johnson (would played lb in hs) he would blow up the play in the backfield; minus yards every time, I loved playing teams who ran this play. I really hope GT runs it every time on the 31st.


So you can't say how you would defend it. I didn't expect that anyone would. You don't mention who is assigned to do what or how you are pass defending. But I thought you said it was simple.

I agree with you, if we can't block you, then you will stop us. But that is true for every game we played this year and has little to do with assignment football.

This post was edited on 12/20/08 at 12:17 pm
Posted by nhsj012
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 12:22 pm to
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When we defended it in school we made the DE take QB, outside LB take first RB and either the corner or safety take Second RB!

exactly...it is assignment football. the problem comes when you anticipate a play after seeing it time after time, then they throw a variation into the play.

it works from week to week because teams rarely see it thus creating confusion in the gameplan and carrying out of the gameplan.

for all of those who say gt has better players then navy.... that would not matter if lsu has the athletes on defense to match the playmakers on the gt offense. if the athletes are comparable, it comes down to gamplan and heart.
This post was edited on 12/20/08 at 12:27 pm
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 12:36 pm to
yeah, i am sure we have better athletes the wake
Posted by stinger78
Buford
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 12:49 pm to
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for all of those who say gt has better players then navy.... that would not matter if lsu has the athletes on defense to match the playmakers on the gt offense. if the athletes are comparable, it comes down to gamplan and heart.


This statement is true, however, does LSU have better players on D than Boston College (9/6-162), VA Tech (9/13-278), Mississippi State (9/20-438), Clemson (10/18-207), F$U (11/1-288), Miami (11/20-472) and UGAg (11/29-409)? The numbers in parentheses are the date and rushing numbers we put up on those teams. Notice how, with the exception of the SEC team, we generally improved as the season went along against the better and better D's.

Oh, and WFU has a pretty darn good D.
This post was edited on 12/20/08 at 12:57 pm
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 12:58 pm to
better players yes to everyone exept maybe georgia

coaching
Posted by DEANintheYAY
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 1:00 pm to
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This statement is true, however, does LSU have better players on D than Boston College (9/6-162), VA Tech (9/13-278), Mississippi State (9/20-438), Clemson (10/18-207), F$U (11/1-288), Miami (11/20-472) and UGAg (11/29-409)?


I would say YES, LSU does have better PLAYERS than those teams. Whether or not they are a) put in the right scheme, or b) motivated to play is the only question. LSU has some BALLERS on defense, be prepared and BLEE DAT!!!!!
Posted by stinger78
Buford
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 12/20/08 at 1:05 pm to
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better players yes to everyone exept maybe georgia


Now I haven't seen LSU but on a couple of occasions this year and the D just didn't look good to me. On defense, I'm sure they're better than they looked, however, since they are the defending MNC. That ARK game was sad, however.

Based just on what I saw, I'd rate Boston College, VA Tech, F$U, Miami and UGAg as better D's than LSU. Maybe not better talent all through the 2-deep, but better D's.
This post was edited on 12/20/08 at 1:08 pm
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