That is a fundamental error my friend. God uses numbers, especially in the Old Hebrew where he had like 4000 words, no vowels in a rudimentary language. (That is why modern religious folks can not grasp a Day is really a Yowm, which is a time period, and the first day lasted 9.2 billion years.

I have blogs in creation in atheist sites where I lay it all out. When it says Darkness was on the Face of the Deep in Gen. 1:1-3, by looking at the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) we can see there was 400 million years of total darkness before any stars started forming after he big bang, so I am not some pie in the sky non thinker my friend.

So, back to the 144,000 why a perfect number? Why is it that 10 virgin brides represents complete Christendom? Because 10 = Completeness, in God speak, 12 = Fulness, 7 = Divine Completeness/Judgment, 8 = New Beginnings et al.

So, those 144,000 seen is Rev. 7 and 14 have the Fathers name on their foreheads, they are the 1/3 Jews who repent in Zech. 13:8-9 just before the Day of the Lord (DOTL or God's Wrath falls) arrives in the next verse, in Zech. 14:1, Jerusalem is conquered in vs. 2 and Jesus returns in vs. 3, a 1260 day jump in time.

So, God never gives up things unto Satan. That is why Israel is called "The Women" in Rev. 12 and The World being judged is called Babylon. The 144,000 is 12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 or COMPLETENESS x FULNESS which simply means All Israel who repents. God was never going to give Satan the number way ahead of time, but 1/3 of 15 million is lie 5 million Jewish people who accept Yeshua as their Messiah. Its not 144,000, and its not Christians any way, we will be in heaven marrying Jesus which simply means we committed to Christ 100 percent. The 144,000 are the Fathers bride.

I took you as being a serious poster, unlike some on here. No matter the subject. On some Atheist sites, I see near 100 percent disagreement, but only about 25-30 percent serious posters who listen and understand proper debate. When one guy saw my Creation thread on one atheist site, he was like, OK, I got you, we have evidence of men going back much, much longer than 6000 years, I see you face the realities in Creation of the Universe, but you can not get out of the fact that the bible basically says man is 6000 years old. My one answer stunned him (because he never thought about it, I think these things through.

I stated man like animals without the Spirit of God could have been on earth for X number of years, Adam only became a Human Bring when God placed His spirit in him, making us immortal beings, or in the Image of God. You see, like I told him, there is no way any Scientist can measure when Go placed His spirit into mankind. All those bones MEAN NOTHING.

No need to Reply, I just wanted to answer since I have been taking care of some kitties who were near death, one passed after on e day of sickness, ones been sick over a week, and refuses to die, hes a little warrior.