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re: Did It All Start with the Hippies?

Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:56 am to
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 9:56 am to
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Why can’t people just be normal? It just seems so abnormal these days.



That's what goes back to the Enlightenment really. That's when this focus on "science," and the creeping in of "acceptance," began.

And I use those terms loosely, but by and large, shame became less and less a tool over time to encourage people to live a particular way. The Enlightenment didn't make science more concrete, it made it more fuzzy. We decided that it could be the answer to everything no matter what situation. People became numbers and digits, essentially - and politically this is behind most of your most evil movements - abortion, euthanasia, eugenics, etc. - it's all about people as data that feed into models (and is quite possibly climate change and a plethora of other movements). Abortion - let's turn happiness into an equation and make sure we balance it, and allow people to balance it for themselves. Euthanasia - same story. Happiness is calculable and if someone's calculation is off, well that's ok. Because science. Eugenics - let's turn evolution into an equation we can perfect. Because science.

Hippies were kind of the result of many years of weakening shame, social pressure, strong social cohesion and opinions, within larger cultures, and an expansion of science to solve every single problem ever - thus the spread into Academia and the study of everything. And it's going to solve all the world's problems - because math tells us there's a "limit" to the world's population and resource use. Because science.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 4/9/24 at 10:10 am to
We need more shame and we need it in a big way.

I think a lot of our more macro problems would self-correct if the population felt more shame about being a trashy loser and took more pride in their appearance, career, home, etc. Nothing matters to anyone anymore.

eta: Also, we need to kill the word "happy" from our vocabulary. People aren't meant to be "happy".
This post was edited on 4/9/24 at 10:11 am
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