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re: Fossils in Greece Suggest Human Ancestors Evolved in Europe, Not Africa
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:46 pm to DakIsNoLB
Posted on 4/11/24 at 8:46 pm to DakIsNoLB
I really appreciate your tone. It’s very refreshing. Thank you.
Perhaps. But, this would seem to be a sliver of a minority. There’s nothing wrong with (from a Christian perspective) searching for truth, outside of the Bible, that coincides with the truth found in the Bible. Theistic evolution requires an allegorical interpretation of Genesis- which (alone) is not necessarily a faith breaker. (Though, it often leads to a low view of the authority of scripture, which then leads to a form of idolatry- as one has invented his own God as opposed the One clearly defined in scripture). But, Darwinian evolution is in direct conflict with any and all Judeo-Christian beliefs on origins; as it replaces God with random, unguided natural processes. As Richard Dawkins puts it “Darwin’s theory made it intellectually fulfilling to be an atheist.” I don’t see how anyone can reconcile simultaneous belief in both.
I think you may have missed the point. The point is that in all of our uniform and repeated experience- information always originates from a mind. DNA is the information (or the instructions /code) necessary for the formation of all life. There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is there any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this.
Sure there is. No doubt. But, there are also giant leaps in logic and imagination.
Bolstered by outlandish claims and media collusion that would make Joe Biden jealous.
Of course I think it’s important. I wouldn’t be arguing the point if I didn’t think it was important. But my question is why it’s important. I make no bones about why it’s important to me. I also have a hard time believing that the reason an atheist argues for evolution has nothing to do with the sentiment behind Dawkins’ aforementioned quote.
Certainly not. But it’s the inevitable conclusion of materialistic naturalism.
A sign of a culture that has lost its faith - Moral collapse follows upon spiritual collapse. C. S. Lewis
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Perhaps someone seeking understanding and knowledge apart from the Bible isn't a desire to prove it false.
Perhaps. But, this would seem to be a sliver of a minority. There’s nothing wrong with (from a Christian perspective) searching for truth, outside of the Bible, that coincides with the truth found in the Bible. Theistic evolution requires an allegorical interpretation of Genesis- which (alone) is not necessarily a faith breaker. (Though, it often leads to a low view of the authority of scripture, which then leads to a form of idolatry- as one has invented his own God as opposed the One clearly defined in scripture). But, Darwinian evolution is in direct conflict with any and all Judeo-Christian beliefs on origins; as it replaces God with random, unguided natural processes. As Richard Dawkins puts it “Darwin’s theory made it intellectually fulfilling to be an atheist.” I don’t see how anyone can reconcile simultaneous belief in both.
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Where does information come from?
I'm sure it's just theorized at this point. Not impossible that they exist.
I think you may have missed the point. The point is that in all of our uniform and repeated experience- information always originates from a mind. DNA is the information (or the instructions /code) necessary for the formation of all life. There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is there any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this.
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There's legitimate science behind it.
Sure there is. No doubt. But, there are also giant leaps in logic and imagination.
Bolstered by outlandish claims and media collusion that would make Joe Biden jealous.
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You don't think it's important; others do.
Of course I think it’s important. I wouldn’t be arguing the point if I didn’t think it was important. But my question is why it’s important. I make no bones about why it’s important to me. I also have a hard time believing that the reason an atheist argues for evolution has nothing to do with the sentiment behind Dawkins’ aforementioned quote.
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I doubt that's a universally held opinion even amongst proponents of evolution
Certainly not. But it’s the inevitable conclusion of materialistic naturalism.
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What are the consequences of evolutionary theory you are talking about?
A sign of a culture that has lost its faith - Moral collapse follows upon spiritual collapse. C. S. Lewis
Posted on 4/12/24 at 8:59 am to Prodigal Son
quote:This is just plain not true. Nonsensical even.
The point is that in all of our uniform and repeated experience- information always originates from a mind.
quote:Matter *is* information!
DNA is the information (or the instructions /code) necessary for the formation of all life. There is no known natural law through which matter can give rise to information, neither is there any physical process or material phenomenon known that can do this.
Your view of the world is fundamentally flawed. I'm sure you will say the same of me. But if you firmly believe that information cannot exist unless it is intelligently created, then there isn't much sense continuing this conversation.
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