re: Catholic/Protestant Debate

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Squirrelmeister telling us we are all stupid for believing any of it

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Thanks for the recognition, though “stupid” generally wouldn’t be my first choice of descriptors because I think many of you are quite intelligent. Many of you use your intelligence to delude yourselves - to trick the logic and reasoning part of your brain. “Uneducated” might be a better choice.

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David didn't kill goliath

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Don’t take my word for it. 2 Samuel 21:19

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And there was again war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan the son of Jaare-oregim, the Bethlehemite, struck down Goliath the Gittite, the shaft of whose spear was like a weaver’s beam.

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And in the same chapter immediately preceding that verse, it says David is too old to go out into battle anymore. He’s not a young boy, but rather an old man, when Goliath is slain.

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17But Abishai the son of Zeruiah came to his aid and attacked the Philistine and killed him. Then David’s men swore to him, “You shall no longer go out with us to battle, lest you quench the lamp of Israel.” 18After this there was again war with the Philistines at Gob. Then Sibbecai the Hushathite struck down Saph, who was one of the descendants of the giants.

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So about the other story in 1 Samuel 17 where David is a young boy, where Goliath is dressed exactly like Achilles in the Iliad, and where he challenges an opposing side’s hero to one-on-one combat (also like Achilles challenging Hector in the Iliad)… and like in the Iliad Goliath / Achilles is killed by a projectile guided by God (Apollo). And then the winner, David, takes Achilles’ - I mean Goliath’s armor (just like Hector took Achilles’ armor off Achilles’ dead buddy Patroclus) back to his tent. Ask yourself- why would David, a young sheep herder, not even big enough himself to wear armor, have a tent like a soldier would have?

The two stories both cannot be true. They are contradictory. Ask yourself though which one is most likely the original. In David’s old age, one of his soldiers, the otherwise unknown Elhanan, kills a giant Peleset warrior dressed like Achilles holding a huge Greek thrusting spear? Or a story 10 times longer with many more details taken straight out of Homer’s epic where the winning hero is the divinely annointed (messiah) king of Israel?

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Jesus wasn't even a real person

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Now you are starting to get it! It was the Rulers (Archons) that killed Jesus according to Paul. Where do the Rulers reside? In the heavenly places. Paul had no knowledge of Jesus working miracles in Galilee and of the Romans crucifying Jesus of the later historicized gospels (perhaps the first written by Marcion or Papias) because those stories hadn’t been invented yet.

1 Corinthians 2:8

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None of the rulers of this age understood this, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

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Ephesians 6:12

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12For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

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Great topics. Thanks for bringing them up.