Atheists have a good case to argue. When the theological basis of a Religion is of things and entities that cannot be proven true, there will be an argument that the Religion isn't true.

The Catholic position is that Christ founded a Church and that Early Church believed what Catholic believe today.

The Protestant position is that the Bible Alone is the basis of Christianity, NOT the "early Church", and that error crept into the Church of Rome by the Third Century A.D. These errors were corrected by The Reformers.

The Catholic argument is that Jesus Christ Himself founded the Church and that He is Almighty God and that God Himself would not allow "error" to "creep" into the Theology of His Church.

I guess the counter to that argument is that God allowed error to creep into the Church that Christ founded. That might be persuasive for many, but, I always thought that to be a weak argument.

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Posted by LemmyLives

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Posted on 4/7/24 at 5:05 pm to Champagne

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God Himself would not allow "error" to "creep" into the Theology of His Church.

I know I'm probably going to get the thread locked, but isn't this kind of the definition of pre-reformation Church? The Pope isn't G-d, but seems to act like it (along with Bishops, Cardinals, etc.), that seem to act and speak on behalf of G-d.

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Posted by Liberator

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Posted on 4/8/24 at 1:06 pm to Champagne

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Atheists have a good case to argue.

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The Catholic position is that Christ founded a Church

and that Early Church believed what Catholic believe today.

The Christian position: Jesus Christ founded a Church -- HIS Church.

The early Church believed exactly what Jesus taught: "Salvation ONLY through Grace." And the Gospel message.

Then Constantine and those who exploited a situation by invoking both State and Christ-by-Proxy powers (as "Vicars of Christ"). This hybrid Holy Roman Empire rule and system would wind up binding the citizens of many nations and people for a 1000 years.

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The Protestant position is that the Bible Alone is the basis of Christianity, NOT the "early Church",

Absolutely, Sola Scriptura. Man's "traditions" based on Man's Nature means they have been corrupted. ONLY the Bible, God's Word (and inspired Word) can be trusted 100%.

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and that error crept into the Church of Rome by the Third Century A.D. These errors were corrected by The Reformers.

You do realize Bible ownership as late as the 1500s was a death penalty, as ordered by the Vatican and its church overlords, right?

You do realize also that the un-converted were coerced under penalty of death as well? (be they Protestant, Jewish, Muslim, or Pagan).

100% historically and factually TRUE.

NOT any part of the Gospel or teachings of Jesus Christ (OR of Ten Commandments).

This post was edited on 4/8/24 at 1:07 pm

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