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Now take "the supernatural", which is basically something we rarely ever even perceive. We just don't have the slightest idea what a spirit or soul would even be comprised of, so how would you detect or measure it? But a lack of understanding and knowledge doesn't ensure it doesn't exist, simply means we currently have no clue where to begin.

I hear you, but I contend we -never- experience or perceive the supernatural. Many see what they want to, but nothing supernatural has ever happened, is my contention.

And let me define supernatural:

That which cannot happen on an infinite timeline as explainable by science. Not to be confused with -extraordinarily rare- events whose timing is impossibly well timed for surprise.

I get that 413 things happening in sequence ALL to make X, Y or Z happen JUST at the right time is a reasonable conclusion that the Almighty sent help (etc). But, a true supernatural event would be something that cannot ever happen within the bounds of science or physics. And to that end, I say no supernatural events have ever happened.

I hear you, and your argument, and I don't think it's 100% absurd to believe in anything supernatural in the context of God, but I myself do not subscribe to that.

Ghosts, on the other hand? As silly as vampires, werewolves, loch ness monster, big foot, etc. (at least the latter two have some semblance of sanity, although absurd none the less)

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As a matter of fact, it's sort of this whole thing that unseated my faith in the stories we got growing up about religion and the bible. When I fully realized, deep down, that I did not believe in miracles or the supernatural, it was what toppled my house of cards in faith. I still hope, a LOT... and i hope even more that I'm wrong because I believe in a God that sees me and knows my mind and heart etc. I don't wanna die and there be nothing. it's just one of those topics i've given an extraordinary amount of thought about.

i'm all ears if you can prove the supernatural. alas, i've seen no real proof of anything of the sort. and buddy, i have looked.

This post was edited on 3/25/24 at 4:37 pm