re: If you believe your rights come from God then you are a Christian Nationalist

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I was raised Catholic as well but generally consider myself an agnostic. My question is focused on your use of the word inherent. I dont believe its inherent and that its a societal construct. Believers in a higher power can make the case its objective but I've never heard atheist or non believer do so. So where does an atheist believe these inherent rights come from? If they are subjective then they aren't inherent.

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I get into these debates all the time. It's my favorite thing to bring up with naturalist/atheists. They make objective morality arguments, then say morality is subjective. Because they know that there is no way to say that it is objective without there being of source for that objective morality. But to make a moral argument, you are proving objective morality.

You say X is moral. I say X is immoral. If morality is subjective, we are both correct. But for you to say I am wrong about it being immoral, there has to be an objective morality. In that case, you would be making an argument that something is both moral and immoral at the same time. That's not logical. So morality has to be objective. But they will never concede that. It always devolves into insults ans smears from their end.