re: 1st amendment auditors

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This. Its not against the law to exist in public with or without a camera, walk at night, eat lunch in your car, etc. Officers can observe and can ask questions.

Your job is not IDing people. We have a 4th amendment right to refuse if you ask for id for no other reason than to curb your suspicion. We have 5th and 1st amenedment rights to not answer your questions and to tell you to kick rocks.

Reasonable articulable suspicion of a crime. A crime. CRIme. This is not hard to understand unless you are part of the thin blue ego gang. I applaud the auditors for thier work in this regard. Its long overdue.

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Amen. I know the back the blue crowd hates the thought but the group most likely to strip away the rights of citizens without a care in the world are cops...the good ones and the bad ones. All it takes is for their management to tell them to do it and they will...because they are well trained in the field.


The hurdle to articulate the suspicion of a crime is not huge...they can easily say I am investigating a report of trespassing, for instance, and you are being detained as part of that investigation. Yes, you are a suspect and yes you are being detained. That does not mean you are going to be arrested but it does mean they can ask for ID. They won't do this, in fact they almost always say they are not investigating a crime and the person is not being detained. Once those words tumble from their lips there is no requirement to ID in most states...but they fully expect everyone to step and fetch to their authority and damn the constitution...and far too many of us not only are OK with this but actually like them doing it.