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re: I'm a weak man, I caved and re-watched Game of Thrones. Where it went off the rails...
Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:57 am to wildtigercat93
Posted on 2/22/24 at 5:57 am to wildtigercat93
quote:That was what truly did it in. Rather than trying to craft the best possible story they could, they started trying to frick with and outsmart the audience.
but even those moments were mostly death note to the show having a satisfying ending, because they would sacrifice logical paths forward in the name of subverting expectations, and then having no solid plan to move forward after whatever twist they went with
You saw this shite happen with Westworld, too; and honestly also with the Star Wars sequels. There was such an effort to do something that makes people say "ooh, I didn't see THAT coming".
I don't know when that became the cool, edgy thing to do, but it ruined a lot of shows and movies. It might be interesting at the time, but you don't want to rewatch any of them.
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Posted on 2/22/24 at 11:20 am to Scoob
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There was such an effort to do something that makes people say "ooh, I didn't see THAT coming".
I don't know when that became the cool, edgy thing to do, but it ruined a lot of shows and movies. It might be interesting at the time, but you don't want to rewatch any of them.
This right motherfricking here all damn day long. Having your expectations be subverted is only cool when the outcome that you didn't see coming turns out to be even cooler than what you expected to happen. It's like filmmakers expect me to think, "Well, I was expecting to see Jon Snow end the series riding on a dragon leading the forces of Westeros to defeat the Army of the Dead and then get crowned king and get to frick Dany for the rest of his life. That would have been fricking rad. What I actually got was for him to end up as a sad sack banished back to a Wall that has no reason to continue to exist. But since I didn't expect or even want to see it, that makes it even cooler than what I was wanting." No one thinks this, and you're right, these movies and shows have no staying power because of it.
And now you've mentioned Star Wars and I'm even more pissed. Goddammit, Rian Johnson, I watch Star Wars to see Luke Skywalker kicking arse with a lightsaber! Why can you not understand this??????
Posted on 2/22/24 at 12:00 pm to Scoob
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You saw this shite happen with Westworld, too; and honestly also with the Star Wars sequels. There was such an effort to do something that makes people say "ooh, I didn't see THAT coming".
Westworld might be the most egregious example. Red herrings are one thing, but they seemed to actively lie to the audience to the point where it was hard to understand if anything was supposed to be real or where it all fit in. They just tangled themselves up into a nonsense web of plots
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I don't know when that became the cool, edgy thing to do, but it ruined a lot of shows and movies. It might be interesting at the time, but you don't want to rewatch any of them.
Honestly I think boards like this one and the internet in general getting injected into the mainstream probably played a huge part here. The way we watch and interact with movies and TVs is such a different thing than it used to be
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