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re: Barry Bonds is the GOAT Baseball Player

Posted on 2/19/24 at 2:44 am to
Posted by TigerLifer18
Member since May 2023
2085 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 2:44 am to
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Joe DiMaggio – 9 Rings ... Lou Gehrig – 8 Rings ... Babe Ruth – 7 Rings ... Mickey Mantle – 7 Rings ...


It’s laughable to mention rings in an argument for how great a baseball player is. It’s the ultimate team game and the sport with the most parity.

To mention a bunch of Yankees players rings who played with some of the most stacked squads in baseball history, and compare it to Bonds having none is ridiculous.

By your definition Bill Russell is the GOAT of Basketball.
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
13382 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 10:59 am to
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It’s laughable to mention rings in an argument for how great a baseball player is. It’s the ultimate team game and the sport with the most parity.

To mention a bunch of Yankees players rings who played with some of the most stacked squads in baseball history, and compare it to Bonds having none is ridiculous.

By your definition Bill Russell is the GOAT of Basketball.


also have to consider that there were 8 teams in AL for most of the Yankees success until sometime during Mantle's era when it went to 10. Having a stacked squad followed by only one round of postseason makes the comparison between Bonds era and the dominant Yankees run null and void. I'm honestly more impressed by what the late 90s Yankees accomplished than what the Ruth era teams accomplished in terms of WS championships.

That said, when comparing players across eras the only way you can do so is by the way they dominated their peers. With that in mind, it's Ruth, Williams, Bonds, and Gehrig followed by Hornsby Trout and Mantle. This is hitting only (adjusted OPS+). I don't really care to try and add in the defensive shite that WAR accounts for.
Posted by Liberator
Revelation 20:10-12
Member since Jul 2020
9063 posts
Posted on 2/19/24 at 12:42 pm to
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It’s laughable to mention rings in an argument for how great a baseball player is. It’s the ultimate team game...


Rings / Championships most certainly IS one argument or metric for "Greatness".

As already mentioned, the "Greatness" metric is as a Team LEADER -- not only elevating themselves in big / clutch moments, but helping creating team chemistry.

Guys like Mickey Mantle inspired their teammates to elevate *their* level of play so that THE TEAM WON CHAMPIONSHIPS (No silly Bill James stat for all this). The Yanks knew it; other teams felt the vibe. It was palpable.

Nobody did this better than All-Time Ultimate Greats: Mantle. Joe D. Gehrig.

Bonds -- for all his great skill level (Juiced or un-Juiced) brought a palpable negativity to his team; It hurt on teams good enough to have won a Series.

Posted by MorgusTheMagnificent
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2014
1867 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 10:27 pm to
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It’s the ultimate team game


This is a bad take. A pitcher can literally win a game by hisself
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