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re: Software guys of the OT. Questions about coding/getting started.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:34 am to jkylejohnson
Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:34 am to jkylejohnson
Coding is one of those things where you either have the aptitude for it or you don't. I've known people who didn't but somehow got an IT or CS degree. I've certainly known people with no degree who did have the natural ability. I have hired people from bootcamps who did well. The main thing to be sure of is that you're honest about whether you have the ability.
As for the AI thing, it's really just yet another example of "trying to make programming easy or fast." Those efforts have largely failed... COBOL and SQL were intended to be more human-friendly, but they're really not.
If the future of programming is "writing prompts for AI to write the code from," I can assure you that writing those prompts will be exacting, difficult, error-prone, and time-consuming. It's still programming. It's not like you can just tell AI, "uh, yeah, make me an e-commerce site kind of like, Uber for taxidermy, and make it compliant with PCI and Sarbanes-Oxley and stuff." You'll be authoring very precise instructions using a subset of the English language, and that is not that different from the original (failed) vision people had for COBOL, SQL, and Visual Basic.
As for the AI thing, it's really just yet another example of "trying to make programming easy or fast." Those efforts have largely failed... COBOL and SQL were intended to be more human-friendly, but they're really not.
If the future of programming is "writing prompts for AI to write the code from," I can assure you that writing those prompts will be exacting, difficult, error-prone, and time-consuming. It's still programming. It's not like you can just tell AI, "uh, yeah, make me an e-commerce site kind of like, Uber for taxidermy, and make it compliant with PCI and Sarbanes-Oxley and stuff." You'll be authoring very precise instructions using a subset of the English language, and that is not that different from the original (failed) vision people had for COBOL, SQL, and Visual Basic.
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Posted on 2/13/24 at 8:40 am to Porpus
quote:Yeah if humans are writing the specs then AI is just another tool to get you close, just like googling code snippets.
As for the AI thing, it's really just yet another example of "trying to make programming easy or fast." Those efforts have largely failed... COBOL and SQL were intended to be more human-friendly, but they're really not.
If the future of programming is "writing prompts for AI to write the code from," I can assure you that writing those prompts will be exacting, difficult, error-prone, and time-consuming. It's still programming. It's not like you can just tell AI, "uh, yeah, make me an e-commerce site kind of like, Uber for taxidermy, and make it compliant with PCI and Sarbanes-Oxley and stuff." You'll be authoring very precise instructions using a subset of the English language, and that is not that different from the original (failed) vision people had for COBOL, SQL, and Visual Basic.
I think on balance AI will create *more* programming jobs, particularly security related. When AIs start trying to execute code they've written themselves, somebody has to audit that.
This post was edited on 2/13/24 at 8:42 am
Posted on 2/13/24 at 10:42 am to Porpus
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Coding is one of those things where you either have the aptitude for it or you don't. I've known people who didn't but somehow got an IT or CS degree. I've certainly known people with no degree who did have the natural ability. I have hired people from bootcamps who did well. The main thing to be sure of is that you're honest about whether you have the ability.
I’ve written an awful lot of code having worked in IT. Plenty of people, in my opinion, have the ability. For me, one of the most important things is that you simply must like doing it if you’re going to do it well.
I don’t like writing code. It’s tedious and requires an attention to detail that I don’t naturally possess. I can do it. I like having done it. I just hate it while I’m in it.
The tools are so much better these days, though. I was required to take assembly language. These days, unless you’re writing drivers for hardware, you’ll never get that far down to the metal. You no longer have to study processor or ancillary chip errata because your code won’t execute precisely as it is written and the workaround is poorly documented.
A good place to start coding is scripting. You can learn the fundamentals and concepts. That’s where you’ll start to see the power. It’s a far cry from writing a stand-alone application, but it will go a long way to gaining an understanding.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 11:29 am to Porpus
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Coding is one of those things where you either have the aptitude for it or you don't.
This is the absolute truth. I wouldn't spend money on a boot camp until you try a few of the free online tutorials. If that gives you the drive to learn more, then look at the boot camp option.
Posted on 2/13/24 at 12:44 pm to Porpus
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It's not like you can just tell AI, "uh, yeah, make me an e-commerce site kind of like, Uber for taxidermy, and make it compliant with PCI and Sarbanes-Oxley and stuff."
Give it a few more years.
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