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re: Did anyone mention that Putin told Clinton that Russia was interested in joining NATO?
Posted on 2/9/24 at 2:04 am to bhtigerfan
Posted on 2/9/24 at 2:04 am to bhtigerfan
I was part of those discussions. I was there (though not in the room).
Clinton did not say no, he said, sure, if you clean up your act.
At the time for example Russian conscripts did not go to whwat we know as "boot camp" which is tough but still structured with a drill sargeant and all sorts of oversight (hidden camera's) that those involved don't even see. In Russia their boot camp was (is?) called Gedovischen and it simply is brutality excused as "making them tough" with no purpose, no oversight, it's "Lord of the Flies" type stuff.
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Clinton also said they have to have a far cleaner procurement system for projects over a million dollars. You had (have) Russian generals living like kings on salaries that should not allow for this.
Put simply, we did not say no, we said yest, but for God'ssake stop being so stupid and corrupt. They chose not to listen.
Clinton did not say no, he said, sure, if you clean up your act.
At the time for example Russian conscripts did not go to whwat we know as "boot camp" which is tough but still structured with a drill sargeant and all sorts of oversight (hidden camera's) that those involved don't even see. In Russia their boot camp was (is?) called Gedovischen and it simply is brutality excused as "making them tough" with no purpose, no oversight, it's "Lord of the Flies" type stuff.
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Clinton also said they have to have a far cleaner procurement system for projects over a million dollars. You had (have) Russian generals living like kings on salaries that should not allow for this.
Put simply, we did not say no, we said yest, but for God'ssake stop being so stupid and corrupt. They chose not to listen.
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Posted on 2/9/24 at 4:52 am to Eurocat
quote:You are incredibly naive.
we said yest, but for God'ssake stop being so stupid and corrupt. They chose not to listen.
Let's try this a different way.
If we had provided Yeltsin and democratized Russia with the amount of aid we're now pissing away in Ukraine, would Putin have even ever happened?
If Russia was a NATO member, obviously Ukraine would not be at war, but would China be threatening Taiwan, and 90% of the planet's microchip supply?
Can you not wrap your head around the massive opportunities we missed while Bill focused on the head in his lap instead of challenges of Bin Laden and Yeltsin?
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