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re: Pope Francis Clarifies, Again, Why Some Don’t Like His Blessing Of Homosexual Couples

Posted on 1/31/24 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by Zarkinletch416
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Posted on 1/31/24 at 12:10 pm to
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Cite from the Catechism, please, this statement of yours.


You used the word "nuance" to describe Bergoglio's decision to approve blessing of homosexuals. This has been Bergoglio's Mode of Operation from the beginning. His action has created much confusion. Instead of proclaiming the Truth (Truth tested by time, sacrifice, prayer and study by legions of Saints spanning millenia) he has chosen to confuse, and satan exploits confusion.

That homosexuality was condemned in the early Church is a fact. In his Letter to the Romans, St.Paul clearly condemns the practice, in no uncertain terms. But as the centuries passed there developed a more tolerant attitude towards homosexuals. I'll say it, IMO Bergoglio's decision to allow blessing of Gay Couples is a prelude to full recognition of so-called 'Gay Marriage'. Make no mistake, Bergoglio and his pal James Martin want homosexual union of gay men and lesbian women elevated to that of a Sacrament. Look at what they do, not at what they say.

Actions have consequences, and the negative optics involved in priest blessing gays cannot be ignored. Argue whatever you believe, people will see blessing of gays and gay couples as evidence the Catholic Church has accepted gay marriage. I could also argue about avoiding scandal since this guy Bergoglio has done more to promote scandal in my Church than any Pope in my lifetime.

But regarding to your question about Catechism of The Catholic Church I reference the following excerpts....

MORTAL SIN

1855 Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God's law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him.

Comment: God is Truth. The absence of Truth is hell, and hell is the absence of God.

SCANDAL

2285 Scandal takes on a particular gravity by reason of the authority of those who cause it or the weakness of those who are scandalized. It prompted our Lord to utter this curse: "Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea."85 Scandal is grave when given by those who by nature or office are obliged to teach and educate others. Jesus reproaches the scribes and Pharisees on this account: he likens them to wolves in sheep's clothing.

Comment: The role of the Supreme Pontif is to teach as Jesus did, go in search of wayward souls and bring them back to the flock, not chase souls away. He basically accuses the African Bishops of misguided culturalism. To which I reply, even the tribes of Africa understand the role biological males and females play in God's plan for the family. It's a basic matter of survival for them. Maybe Bergoglio should spend some time among the remaining tribes of Africa.

CHASTITY AND HOMOSEXUALITY

2357 Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,140 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."141 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity.Under no circumstances can they be approved.

Comment: Since you say Bergoglio has chosen his own 'nuanced' interpretation of Scripture and the Catechism of the Catholic Church then I choose to set forth my original point - Bergoglio has chosen to bless gay unions - everyone knows this to be the case. Blessing signifies approval. At the very least he has created confusion. At worst he has put the souls of many in danger of falling into homosexuality - a mortal sin. In addition he has created division when we desperately need a unified Catholic Church. As you know unity is not a redeeming characteristic of beelzebub.

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This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 2:51 pm
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Posted on 1/31/24 at 12:17 pm to

In vino veritas
Posted by Champagne
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Posted on 1/31/24 at 3:20 pm to
I agree with your post, but, you did not cite anything from the Catechism that quotes your conclusion that:

" You can't bless the soul of a person living in Mortal Sin."

Now, having settled that there is no cite from the Catechism that directly quotes your statement, we continue with the discussion -

We know that a Person who is living in Mortal Sin can indeed receive a Blessing from a Priest at every Mass during Holy Communion. So, this is settled.

Perhaps when the Person is receiving such a Blessing at Holy Communion, that Person's Soul is a completely separate Entity that is NOT Blessed, but the Person IS Blessed.

So, the question is: Is the Soul a part of the Person, or is it a distinctly separate Entity?

We don't have to answer it because I can avoid the question by stating that the Pope wants the PERSON to be Blessed, like at Communion, and the Pope instructs the Priest NOT to Bless the Mortal Sin.

So, the Pope wants Gay Couples to be able to go to Mass or see a Priest in private and receive a Blessing upon their Persons BUT NOT a Blessing on their Mortal Sins.

I think this makes sense, do you?

And, of course, to reiterate, we all disagree with the Pope because he sows confusion with his vague nuances at a time when the Enemies of the Church are voraciously gnawing at the Body of Christ by taking full advantage of the confusion that the Pope himself has created.

Will the Roman Catholic Church one day fully Bless and Endorse Gay Male Sex and Gay Male Marriage? I don't know and neither do you. We know that all of Christianity is being pressured and harassed to go fully in this direction. We know that. Several large Protestant denominations have already done this.

This post was edited on 1/31/24 at 3:21 pm
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