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Posted on 2/3/24 at 10:48 pm to
Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
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Posted on 2/3/24 at 10:48 pm to
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It’s interesting you applaud the late Dr. Heisner’s ability to explain the supernatural world view of biblical authors but reject his scholarly treatment of the reality of the supernatural.

Dr Heiser on the Rulers who killed Jesus

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But your insistence there was no physical human Jesus, no bodily Crucifixion, death, burial, and Resurrection beyond what second century Christians allegedly made up is more suspect.

It’s more like I just think it is extremely unlikely that the canonical gospels are based on a single person named Jesus born in Bethlehem who lived in Galilee. Hey just look at who the author of the letters of John saw as “the antichrist” - these were actual Christians who claimed to be Christians who denied the gospels but accepted Paul’s gospel and denied Jesus was ever a human on earth.

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I’m finally realizing you don’t actually believe any of the views you put forward. Heretical or Gnostic

I’ve explained many times I am an atheist.

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Jesus a celestial being murdered in heaven and seated at God’s right hand as an exalted Archangel, and so forth.

Oh, you’ve read Paul’s epistles I see and maybe the letter to the Hebrews. Good.

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Your intellect has unfortunately been hijacked, tortured, and put to unholy purposes, like one of the Nine Ringwraiths, enthralled, ensnared, betrayed, and maybe becoming perilously close to being ultimately bound to Sauron.

I like the lord of the rings analogy but have you read Romans 9:18? In light of Romans 9:18, WHO exactly has hijacked, tortured, and put to unholy purposes by heartening my heart and blinding me to the Truth with a capital T?
Posted by First Sergeant1
Enterprise, Alabama
Member since Dec 2018
325 posts
Posted on 2/3/24 at 11:08 pm to
Squirelmeister

The scripture speaks of people like you, “the Gospel, the cross is foolishness to you but for us being saved by it, it is the power of God!”


Since you’re blind to the truth of the Gospel, it doesn’t surprise me that you aggressively oppose it. It’s offensive to you because it confronts sin, righteousness and judgment to come. And if you die in your sins and have to pay the price yourself, you’ll wish you could have an opportunity to repent and believe one more time. But the choice is yours. Reject and receive the due penalty for your sin (Hell) or believe the Gospel and be saved from your rebellion against God.
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
Cloud 8
Member since Nov 2012
5585 posts
Posted on 2/4/24 at 3:18 am to
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I like the lord of the rings analogy but have you read Romans 9:18? In light of Romans 9:18, WHO exactly has hijacked, tortured, and put to unholy purposes by heartening my heart and blinding me to the Truth with a capital T?

I’m just quick enough to appreciate Truth with a capital T.
Seriously however, let’s pray and hope for the best you’re not in Pharaoh’s or Esau’s class and destined to be made an example of. Sauron beguiled and seduced with lies and half truths appealing to the peculiar weaknesses and lusts of Elves, Dwarves, and Men. Your enemy operates similarly. “Yeah, hath God really said…?”
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Christians who denied the gospels but accepted Paul’s gospel and denied Jesus was ever a human on earth.

Yeah, Christians who denied the gospels are like Grapenuts cereal, neither grapes nor nuts.
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who denied the gospels but accepted Paul’s gospel and denied Jesus was ever a human on earth.

When you refer to Paul’s gospel I’m assuming you’re referring to his epistles.
Without reasonable doubt, 1st Corinthians is written by Paul from Ephesus to Corinth between 54 AD and 57 AD, probably late 55 AD/early 56 AD. In it he not only stated specifically his gospel, but is restating it, reminding the Corinthians of what he’d taught them two to three years before.
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Now I would remind you, brothers,of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand, and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures, and that he appeared
to Cephas,
then to the twelve.
Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
Then he appeared to James,
then to all the apostles.
Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me. (These are physical, bodily appearances of Jesus, to flesh and blood men, on earth. We can’t ascribe Jesus’s appearance to Paul as some sort of ethereal manifestation or trance or vision because he is comparing his to the previously mentioned bodily appearances of Jesus. No different nor any better than others but also a validation of his office of an Apostle.
For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle,
because I persecuted the church of God.
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace towards me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed
(Who is he comparing himself to and claiming his gospel and theirs are the same? He’s met with Disciples and Apostles, some of whom wrote gospels ie Luke. It’s not supportable that he is preaching something different from the Apostles that is different from the gospels in any meaningful sense).

That Paul’s gospel is different from the preaching and teaching of the other Apostles and differing in idea and substance from the gospels is very difficult to imagine much less find convincing support for the idea.
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