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Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:50 am to
Posted by Liberator
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Posted on 1/31/24 at 8:50 am to
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In the OT, they have to kill animals (and firstborn human babies) and burn them for Yahweh to be pleased.


1) First Born HUMAN babies are sacrificed to MOLOCH.

2) In Old Testament times (before the New Covenant) Lambs and other young animals had to suffice as the "innocent" symbolic blood sacrifices, "substituting" as restitution for Man' own sin (until the eventual blood sacrifice, Son of Man, Son of God could replace "innocent blood" animal sacrifices once and for all.)

*Enter The Lamb of God*

Posted by Squirrelmeister
Member since Nov 2021
1927 posts
Posted on 2/2/24 at 12:36 am to
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First Born HUMAN babies are sacrificed to MOLOCH.

No, firstborn human babies were sacrificed to Yahweh (and to Ba’al which was just an earlier Canaanite name for Yahweh).

Let me show you in 2 Sam 5:20!
quote:

And David came to Baal-perazim, and David defeated them there. And he said, “The LORD (Yahweh) has broken through my enemies before me like a breaking flood.” Therefore the name of that place is called Baal-perazim.


And Hosea 2:16
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“And in that day, declares the LORD, you will call me ‘My Husband,’ and no longer will you call me ‘My Baal.’


And Ezekiel 20:26
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and I defiled them through their very gifts in their offering up all their firstborn, that I might devastate them. I did it that they might know that I am the LORD.


And exodus 22
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29“You shall not delay to offer from the fullness of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. The firstborn of your sons you shall give to me. 30You shall do the same with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its mother; on the eighth day you shall give it to me.

Now Liberator, don’t start quoting the parts of exodus about redeeming the firstborn, and the parts of Jeremiah with Yahweh saying he never even dreamed of receiving human sacrifice. I know they’re there. I realize they are contradictions but only because those parts were inserted by other scribes with theology with a distaste for child sacrifice. Regardless, it is an irrefutable verifiable fact that many, but not all, Israelites sacrificed their firstborn children to Yahweh/Ba’al as moloch offerings.

Secondly, let’s talk about moloch sacrifices. A moloch is a noun. It is a type of sacrifice - precisely when a firstborn child is passed through the fire. Even those molochs offered to Yahweh, which the Israelites were offering. You don’t tell your kids to quit picking their nose unless they are picking their nose. Similarly, there’s no reason to keep harping on “quit sacrificing your firstborns” if they weren’t sacrificing their firstborns to Yahweh.

Look at Leviticus 20:3
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I myself will set my face against that man and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given one of his children to Molech, to make my sanctuary unclean and to profane my holy name.

Let’s analyze. “To moloch”. From Canaanite and Carthaginian inscriptions (they spoke the same language as Israelites) a moloch was definitely a noun and it was a firstborn burnt offering sacrifice. That’s easy. But in the Bible when it’s written “to moloch”, the Hebrew word rendered as “to” in English can also mean “as”, “towards”, “in order to”, and “because”. It’s not “to” in the sense of the act of giving towards, but rather to designate “quality of”. Also moloch is used with a definite article (like the English “the”) so that’s more evidence a moloch is a noun. The more proper rendering is “as moloch”. Essentially “quit giving your firstborns to me as the moloch offering.”
Half decent Wikipedia article on the subject

ETA: did you see the part about the moloch offering making Yahweh’s temple unclean? Just where was the moloch sacrifice offered? Inside Yahweh’s temple! Duh! That’s why it’s making Yahweh’s temple unclean, because it is offered to Yahweh in Yahweh’s name (therefore profaning Yahweh’s name).
This post was edited on 2/2/24 at 1:14 am
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