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re: Lab Tests - Testosterone

Posted on 1/23/24 at 2:26 pm to
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/23/24 at 2:26 pm to
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can you give some pros/cons of some of the other prohormones they have on their site?



ultra hard- will be steroidial in nature but very weak and very little shut down. As name indicates, more of a cutting compound. can be combined with dermacrine for decent 1st time cycle followed by sustain alpha for 8 weeks + boron for post cycle therapy to get boys working again. also can be added to trt as a little boost

ultra eleven- one of the better cutting compounds on the market period, regardless of legality of the compounds. needs to be higher dose but works amazing well. this is the parent compound to the 11-oxo that was very popular as a oral PH. compound was originally formulated by patrick arnold of balco fame and inventor of the original 1-ad and 4-ad when he came out with it called 11-kt. tends to help with visceral fat and fatty deposits in the chest area as it helps with cortisol amongst other things.

alpha seven- 7 keto dhea- another cutting compound. controls cortisol. does better job than reduce xt but also is transdermal vs oral. original Patrick arnold creation if i remember correctly and was originally sold by competitive edge labs out of houston before they got taken down over superdrol, pplex, hdrol, tren PHs etc

iconogenin- strength and size builder. prolly most potent of the ones Iconic sells

icon one- 1-dhea. this is a 2 step covversion to 1-testosterone made famous when patrick arnold released 1-ad in 2000 which was a 1 step oral with greater than 50% conversion and bioavalibity rate. because it is transdermal it is much better than the oral versions. but still takes high dose. this can be used as cutting agent or size builder. very good strength, size and hardning at high doses

ultra epi- contains 1 of the 2 ingredients in ultra hard. again good cutting agent but on weaker side for sure.


alpha four- the is the 4-dhea which means its a 2 step conversion to 4-AD which was 1 step conversion to testosterone that Patrick made famous when he came out with it in 2000.

ultra three- is 3-ad. another Patrick arnold creation he never released and was picked up by other companies. Not sure if this is the same formula as the original or not.



most of these are decent additions for small boost if already on trt. nothing ground breaking though.

Posted by whiskey over ice
Member since Sep 2020
3300 posts
Posted on 1/23/24 at 3:19 pm to
In my research it looked like some of these convert to DHT. Not a huge deal I guess but I’m on finasteride. Seems counterproductive.

Not on trt but looking to add a couple of lbs while getting shredded for summer. Was leaning towards alpha seven. Would you recommend something else?

Oh, and thanks for the write up
This post was edited on 1/23/24 at 3:24 pm
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
7789 posts
Posted on 1/24/24 at 6:44 pm to
Got updated results in today and my total test has shot up from 745 to 952 with estrogen dropping from 28.6 to 27.9 since last May. Not sure what ive done to cause it. I started Greyskull back up but I'm still not doing legs heavy bc of an injury. Also 2 years ago when I was lifting heavy I was only at 691. Maybe I'm getting better sleep now since the injury has healed some.

Unfortunately my free only went from 142 to 143. It had previously shot up from 108 to 142 after 6 months of Boron. I'm still taking 9mg per day and the free is just holding steady.

The problem is obviously in my SHBG as it went from 31 to 35.8 to now 43.8 over the last year. Any way to get this to go back down so I can increase my free?
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