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re: The Biden Administration Is Quietly Shifting Its Strategy in Ukraine

Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:42 pm to
Posted by Alltheway Tigers!
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Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:42 pm to

Yep. NYT has started to float the editorials today on how a ceasefire with no reset to original borders is a win for the Ukraine and the world.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58408 posts
Posted on 12/27/23 at 10:45 pm to
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Yep. NYT has started to float the editorials today on how a ceasefire with no reset to original borders is a win for the Ukraine and the world.


They will shift many positions in 2024 that they held previously and then pretend, they never held them.
Expect 24-7 gaslighting to try and separate Biden from his own disastrous policies.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 12/28/23 at 7:17 am to
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NYT has started to float the editorials today on how a ceasefire with no reset to original borders is a win for the Ukraine and the world.

I was, and am, in favor of supporting Ukraine’s war effort. Obviously this is not the victory we hoped for, but it is an outcome that will work for us.

Russia learned that this irredentism comes at too high a cost. It will be a long time before they try this again. Had we done what you wanted, and sat this out, Ukraine would be Russia’s and several key neighbors would be so intimidated that they would practically be vassals of Russia.

Hopefully China got the message, but I doubt it. We need to make a deal with Russia soon and arm the ever living hell out of Taiwan. Hopefully we have spent the last couple of years onshoring critical technological and metals manufacturing so we can embargo China.
This post was edited on 12/28/23 at 7:20 am
Posted by GhostOfFreedom
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 12/28/23 at 8:04 am to
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Yep. NYT has started to float the editorials today on how a ceasefire with no reset to original borders is a win for the Ukraine and the world.


Those corrupt idiots. I have said that from the beginning. Ukraine should have saved lives and equipment and just declared victory when they pushed back the diversionary attack on Kiev (I don't think Russia ever planned to occupy Kiev, but wanted the diversion to be able to take the eastern territories.). Russia basically gave them a save face out.
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