re: First trip to a car dealership to look into buying a new car

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This is true. I push back on the bs and try to get the best deal, I also acknowledge they are a business and will make money on the deal. It's how the world works.

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Even when we were getting 10k off trucks pre Covid they were making money. I think they should make a profit too, although I disagree with not being able to buy directly from the manufacturer if you want.