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re: Does Satanism exist without Christianity?
Posted on 12/17/23 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/17/23 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You are conflating communication within religions with deriving an objective moral standard. I would argue no other religion provides the necessary preconditions for intelligibility of moral objectively precisely because the reject the biblical God and His teachings. But more specifically, reason alone cannot provide an “ought”, only an opinion based on personal preferences.
It's literally the same process primarily used to communicate moral standards from religions
quote:It happens everywhere, but my point wasn’t that it occurs, but that it isn’t an adequate foundation by itself for objective moral reasoning precisely because it doesn’t provide a standard at all but allows others to identify standards. In other words, reason provides a means to an end, not the end, itself.
And this doesn't occur within religions, just the same?
quote:For one, I didn’t say anything about its impact on my beliefs. I was talking about competing beliefs and worldviews and how everyone believes something that they believe is true, which necessarily means they believing competing worldviews, beliefs, and ideas are false. Anyone who promotes their own beliefs are competing against others who believe differently.
Their individual belief doesn't impact your belief.
And the other thing is that Satanism certainly does impact Christianity and Christians even if it doesn’t impact the validity and truthfulness of the Christian faith.
For one, promotion of Satanism calls into question the Christian faith and teachings which can cause Christians and non-Christians alike to doubt what is true, and therefore lead some astray to everlasting damnation.
Second and similarly, the promotion of Satanism promotes a worldview that is antithetical to the Christian worldview and makes people think that worldview is just as valid to Christianity in terms of morality. We see the results of such worldly morality all the time, and that certainly does affect Christians.
I’ll stop there for now, but philosophies, beliefs, and worldviews do not typically exist in a vacuum. They influence actions.
Posted on 12/17/23 at 10:06 am to FooManChoo
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But more specifically, reason alone cannot provide an “ought”, only an opinion based on personal preferences.
Why?
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It happens everywhere, but my point wasn’t that it occurs, but that it isn’t an adequate foundation by itself for objective moral reasoning precisely because it doesn’t provide a standard at all but allows others to identify standards
Again, literally the same process within Christianity. Your arguments easily apply to Christianity as a whole to, and nobody else ITT is trying to invalidate the religion other than you.
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and how everyone believes something that they believe is true, which necessarily means they believing competing worldviews, beliefs, and ideas are false.
Again, nobody else is trying to invalidate Christianity like you are, apparently.
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Anyone who promotes their own beliefs are competing against others who believe differently.
It's not a competition, especially if your premise (one true morality granted to humanity by a god) is true. A competition implies any of the competitors can "win".
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For one, promotion of Satanism calls into question the Christian faith and teachings which can cause Christians and non-Christians alike to doubt what is true, and therefore lead some astray to everlasting damnation.
Satanism and literally ever other philosophy or religion, including 99% of Christian sects that "compete" (as you put it) with your view of Christianity.
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the promotion of Satanism promotes a worldview that is antithetical to the Christian worldview
Again, outside of the deity worship, not completely true.
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and makes people think that worldview is just as valid to Christianity in terms of morality.
When the moralities overlap, does the fact that one comes from "Satanism" then invalidate everything in that overlap?
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