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re: Kelly supports the Bama over FSU decision
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:45 pm to DakIsNoLB
Posted on 12/7/23 at 4:45 pm to DakIsNoLB
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I'm talking about your Power 5 conference winners who are really the only teams considered for the CFP
But, they haven’t always been the ones selected. No undefeated P5 champ has ever been, until this year.
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As far as Michigan and Washington, that's an interesting debate. Michigan was No. 2 most of the season until they got jumped by Ohio St. Michigan reclaimed number 2 after beating Ohio St. Come selection time, they weren't going to drop them.
Sounds like you are saying SoS or conf champ opponents was not considered and therefore
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they would all be considered similar record and pedigree.
Appears to be incorrect. They got in because of where they were placed months ago.
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Washington was below FSU until their win against Oregon St and they stayed above FSU through the rest of the season.
You are only comparing them to FSU, why is that?
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Washington was below FSU until their win against Oregon St and they stayed above FSU through the rest of the season.
So their qualification over FSU was being ranked ahead of them.
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They both benefitted from staying ahead of FSU towards the end of the season
So again, we are comparing which 3 teams? The ones with, similar records?
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So the 3-way look at Texas, Bama, and FSU was going to happen. I won't dive back into to all those considerations again.
I’m sorry, but it really appears that you are not willing to support your assertion that all 5 teams had a similar record and thus needed to have a tie-breaker applied. And you pretty clearly went through the undefeated teams first, then to the one loss teams. You are just recalling what happened and rationalizing it.
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I wouldn't have railed against an FSU selection; it would be justifiable, but I the selection of Texas and Bama is equally justifiable.
Would it have been justifiable for the rankings to be 1.UT 2. Bama 3. FSU 4. Washington?
Posted on 12/7/23 at 5:46 pm to OceanMan
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But, they haven’t always been the ones selected. No undefeated P5 champ has ever been, until this year.
I'm only talking about this year. Every year is it's own consideration. That an undefeated P5 conference champ didn't make it this year is based on this year's circumstances. Ever been what? Excluded?
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So their qualification over FSU was being ranked ahead of them.
Yes in that they'd have to have a very good reason to drop them below FSU when they were ahead of them all season and also undefeated and with better CCG wins.
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You are only comparing them to FSU, why is that?
UW and UMich were ahead of Bama and Texas by a wide margin and didn't have CCG wins that gave any doubt.
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I’m sorry, but it really appears that you are not willing to support your assertion that all 5 teams had a similar record and thus needed to have a tie-breaker applied. And you pretty clearly went through the undefeated teams first, then to the one loss teams. You are just recalling what happened and rationalizing it.
Nothing to be sorry about. They all do have similar pedigree and records. UW and Mich weren't going to be lowered based on their SoS and CCG. UGA losing moved them to 1 and 2. That leaves Texas, Bama, and FSU.
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Would it have been justifiable for the rankings to be 1.UT 2. Bama 3. FSU 4. Washington?
No. You reference the tie-breaker, but it's a five-way tie, essentially. UT and Bama can't jump Michigan and UW because of their CCG wins and SoS. UGA and Oregon losing and a 1-loss runner up Ohio St puts Bama, UTx, and FSU in consideration for 3-5. FSU had the unfortunate draw of their ACC opponents. So, yes, I think they look at it as a re-rank of the top 5, but there's wasn't enough to warrant dropping Mich and UW. Had they had weaker CCG opponents, you might have seen a different scenario play out.
I think it could have easily played out with FSU getting in with Bama or UTx being left out. It would not have been indefensible nor unreasonable for any two of those 3 making it to the final two spots.
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