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re: Kelly supports the Bama over FSU decision
Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:31 pm to DakIsNoLB
Posted on 12/7/23 at 1:31 pm to DakIsNoLB
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Really? How so? FSU played more teams with losing records than Texas and Bama. It's stupid because you don't like it unless you have viable counter argument. If you're discounting records then why should we care about 13-0 over 12-1?
I’m not sure why I would owe you a counter argument, the SoS is a counter argument to winning games being the most important factor. But since I said it was stupid I’ll play along.
It’s stupid because there are endless qualifications that can be presented. Here are a few off the top of my head:
UF at home regardless of their record is a tougher game than any other mid season OOC game played by the other teams you listed.
UT and Bama both have at least one more win in their opponents W-L column because they lost a game. Bama’s SoS improved BECAUSE they hey lost a game.
If you went game by game, and looked at those opponent schedules, you would be further away from clarity, not closer. It’s ultimately a circular argument.
When comparing two undefeated teams, sure use the SoS. When comparing teams with losses to one’s without, that’s just a justification for subjective decision making.
Posted on 12/7/23 at 2:19 pm to OceanMan
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I’m not sure why I would owe you a counter argument, the SoS is a counter argument to winning games being the most important factor. But since I said it was stupid I’ll play along.
You don't owe me anything. I simply asked, or otherwise I would dismiss your assertion as baseless.
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UF at home regardless of their record is a tougher game than any other mid season OOC game played by the other teams you listed.
What? Texas and Bama played each other OOC. They are both better than UF on any field. Not OOC, but Bama played Tennessee and LSU midseason and beat them handily. Texas played Oklahoma and Kansas state. Also beat a 5-7 TCU at TCU who can't be much worse than UF. I don't know how citing UF strengthens the argument for FSU and one OOC game doesn't validate a SoS.
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UT and Bama both have at least one more win in their opponents W-L column because they lost a game. Bama’s SoS improved BECAUSE they hey lost a game.
And? That's who they played. It's not different if FSU had played somebody and lost to them. If you don't want to count that opponent's win for Bama, they are still 97-61. Or pull the Texas and Bama records out of each others' schedules entirely and you're still at 78-66 and 86-60 respectively. That they played each other isn't a knock on their selection, so there's no reasonable argument for discounting it in the decision process.
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If you went game by game, and looked at those opponent schedules, you would be further away from clarity, not closer. It’s ultimately a circular argument.
No, that would not be the case. It's not a circular argument. It would be an effort, but it would not be terribly difficult to assess the quality of each opponent's record.
When comparing two undefeated teams, sure use the SoS. When comparing teams with losses to one’s without, that’s just a justification for subjective decision making.
No. The selection committee protocols do not state that. They consider strength of schedule regardless of record, though record comparing could very well keep a team out if there's too much disparity in those records. Undefeated is not an automatic bid and shouldn't be.
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