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re: So to all the posters who were on the "Trump committed fraud to get his loans" crowd

Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:52 pm to
Posted by TigerIn2023
Member since Apr 2023
308 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:52 pm to
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Notice you failed to address this.
I will as soon as you point out where in Section 63(12) it requires the government to prove that financial losses were incurred or that the defendant acted with intention to defraud.

I’ll wait…
Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48797 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:54 pm to
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will as soon as you point out where in Section 63(12) it requires the government to prove that financial losses were incurred or that the defendant acted with intention to defraud. I’ll wait…


Wait no longer.

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The word "fraud" or "fraudulent" as used herein shall include any device, scheme or artifice to defraud and any deception, misrepresentation, concealment, suppression, false pretense, false promise or unconscionable contractual provisions.


You dumb idiot
Posted by dinosaur
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2007
1092 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:55 pm to
You are arguing that you can have fraud without a victim. How then do you define fraudlent activity that the statute is aimed at?
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
30378 posts
Posted on 12/1/23 at 3:59 pm to
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in the name of the people of the state of New York

Meaning, the people of the State of New York are the aggrieved party. Hence, “The People of the State of New York versus Trump at al”. So that is the argument for the identity of the “victim,” which is farcical at best.
This post was edited on 12/1/23 at 4:00 pm
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