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re: Alabama AG says he has the right to prosecute those who facilitate out-of-state abortions
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:36 pm to captdalton
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:36 pm to captdalton
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One question is when does the act of getting an abortion actually begin?
When you first think of it? We doing thought crimes now?
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Or does the act of getting an abortion begin when it is planned?
By doing what? Giving someone money and telling them to drive on the interstate? Since when is that illegal?
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There are people in Michigan who are in prison for planning to abduct the governor. They didn’t do it, but talked about it.
Look up an inchoate crime. And kidnapping is illegal in Michigan (where they intended to commit it).
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The January 6th prisoners are in prison for conspiring to overthrow the government. Obviously none of them were successful, but they are in prison for conspiring to do it.
None of the J6 folks are being prosecuted by state prosecutors. They committed crimes in a federal district and are being prosecuted by federal prosecutors.
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Based on that precedent, why would conspiring to perform an abortion inside the state of Alabama not be illegal?
Because it’s fundamentally different in ways you don’t seem to understand.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 10:47 pm to boosiebadazz
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Look up an inchoate crime
That is what my whole post ultimately boils down to.
When does the first step of an abortion occur? It could be argued that when travel plans are made and when medical appointments are made, the first steps of an abortion have occurred. And abortion is illegal in Alabama. So thus steps have been made to commit a crime if such planning occurred while in Alabama.
The three basic categories of inchoate are attempt, solicitation, and conspiracy. So, thank you for supporting the argument that an inchoate crime occurs when an abortion is planned and scheduled, thus being attempted. Also thank you for supporting my argument that when multiple parties work together to orchestrate an abortion, they are guilty of conspiracy to commit a crime. Which is exactly what the original quote says.
If you are standing inside the borders of Alabama and make an appointment for an abortion to be performed, and then also arrange all travel, are you in the process of receiving or providing an abortion? It could be argued very logically that yes, one is in the process of an abortion. And if all this happened while physically in the state of Alabama, and since abortion is illegal in Alabama, is one guilty of a crime? Inchoate would seem to indicate yes.
That is what this all boils down to.
Thank you for supporting my argument.
Posted on 9/2/23 at 9:59 am to boosiebadazz
quote:To be expected. It is Dalton.
Based on that precedent, why would conspiring to perform an abortion inside the state of Alabama not be illegal?quote:
Because it’s fundamentally different in ways you don’t seem to understand.
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