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Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:18 pm to roygu
After three years in the program and his athletic ability he had to think he could produce, ok 45 points a game may be stretching it. everything I saw out him last year gave me no offensive worries until he was booted off the team.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:19 pm to Chicken
Not in the 2006 class, no.
Here's what you wrote:
Here's what you wrote:
quote:
Not to mention us not signing a QB in the 2005 class.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:19 pm to prplhze2000
That really doesn't make sense IMO. Did anybody watch the freaking games last year? If it wasn't apparent then that we had problems, then Miles is blind as hell. Especially considering all the players that would be leaving on defense. Did he really think 2 inexperienced guys would make great DCs, on a inexperienced defense? Some statistics lie and I think that was pretty apparent last season. LSU made the plays they needed to on defense at times last year because we had the Senior leadership. We were dominant in 05/06, people could pretty much move the ball at will on us last year. Kentucky/Arkansas was arguably lost because of defense. The scheme was obviously starting to show its flaws last year and I don't care what anyone says.
This post was edited on 11/23/08 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:20 pm to Curtiselwood
quote:I thought his performance in the SEC Championship game warranted hope that he could be the leader of the team.
everything I saw out him last year gave me no offensive worries until he was booted off the team.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:22 pm to Rocket
Rocket, RP was recruited during the 2004 season, right? I don't think we signed a QB in the next season (2005). Lee was signed in 2006 class.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:24 pm to Chicken
I agree with the scheme being exposed a bit last year but I was just looking at it through his eyes. It obviously made sense to him he hired them.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:26 pm to Chicken
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Rocket, RP was recruited during the 2004 season, right?
But, he signed in the 2005 "class" in February of that year.
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Lee was signed in 2006 class
No, he was a part of the 2007 class.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:27 pm to Curtiselwood
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I agree with the scheme being exposed a bit last year but I was just looking at it through his eyes. It obviously made sense to him he hired them.
thanks for getting the thread on topic instead of discussing a QB.
Its quite clear Malleveto are in waaaay over there heads and a change is desperately needed
Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:29 pm to Mudminnow
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Its quite clear Malleveto are in waaaay over there heads and a change is desperately needed
You just need to quit watching LSU football because you were on Pelini's case the entire time he was here. The chances of us getting a coordinator who you would be happy with are slim and none.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:29 pm to Rocket
Rocket, I am calling it the 2005 class because it was the 2005 football season.
Edited to add: I don't follow recruiting enough to know if that is the correct way to call it, but that is what I meant...ie, we didn't sign anyone in Feb of 2006.
Edited to add: I don't follow recruiting enough to know if that is the correct way to call it, but that is what I meant...ie, we didn't sign anyone in Feb of 2006.
This post was edited on 11/23/08 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:32 pm to Rocket
The Pelini scheme was flawed, people knew it
Now its time for a fresh start
Now its time for a fresh start
Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:35 pm to Rocket
Bo's scheme was exposed last year, any way you look at it. The difference being, Bo was good enough to adjust it because he was a good DC. Mallaveto, aren't competent enough apparently to do so.
That is a huge coaching flaw by Miles by promoting from within, keeping the same scheme, one that was starting to show signs of being exposed and 2 inexperienced DCs at that. Its not a coincidence players like Beckwith/Taylor performances have been sub-par this year. What about tackling/technique? Something that was pretty damn solid all through Bo's career here. The answer is the coaching and I think its pretty damn obvious.
That is a huge coaching flaw by Miles by promoting from within, keeping the same scheme, one that was starting to show signs of being exposed and 2 inexperienced DCs at that. Its not a coincidence players like Beckwith/Taylor performances have been sub-par this year. What about tackling/technique? Something that was pretty damn solid all through Bo's career here. The answer is the coaching and I think its pretty damn obvious.
This post was edited on 11/23/08 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:37 pm to deuce985
Im with you. The defensive coaching, scheme, and organization has been terrible.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 5:48 pm to deuce985
I would love to see a more attacking scheme.
I want someone with prior experience in the SEC and knows the style of ball played here. That's why I wish there was a way we could get Brian VanGorder.
I want someone with prior experience in the SEC and knows the style of ball played here. That's why I wish there was a way we could get Brian VanGorder.
Posted on 11/23/08 at 6:29 pm to Rocket
Early coaching career
VanGorder started his coaching career in 1981 as an assistant coach at West Bloomfield High School. He served as the head coach at three high schools in the state of Florida, posting a record of 52-16 and was named "Coach of the Year" on seven different occasions. VanGorder's 1987 American Heritage School team was ranked No. 1 in the state of Florida[1]. He joined the college ranks in 1989 at Grand Valley State University.
VanGorder had his first head coaching opportunity from 1992-94 at his alma mater, Wayne State University. During his final two seasons as Head Coach, Wayne State recorded its first winning record in more than a decade, going 6-5 in each season.He became head football coach at his alma mater, Wayne State University in 1992. After leaving Wayne State University in 1994, he coached at University of Central Florida and Central Michigan. From 1998-99, VanGorder served as the Defensive Coordinator at Central Michigan University, following a three-year stint at the University of Central Florida, where he spent two years coaching linebackers and special teams before being assigned to assistant head coach/defensive coordinator.
After Central Michigan, VanGorder was the Defensive Coordinator during the 2000 season at Western Illinois University. The Leathernecks ended the year 9-2, finishing eighth nationally in passing efficiency defense and 12th in both passing defense and total defense while allowing just 17.6 points per game.
[edit] University of Georgia
In 2001 he was hired as Defensive Coordinator and linebackers coach for the University of Georgia Bulldogs. During his first year as Defensive Coordinator at Georgia in 2001, the Bulldogs allowed just 18.9 points per game, ended up fifth in rushing defense and ranked 17th in scoring defense. For his coaching efforts, he was named the seventh recipient of the Valvoline Southern Sports Tonight "Assistant Coach of the Year".
The 2002 season saw VanGorder's defense not only lead the SEC in scoring defense, but finish fourth nationally. The Bulldogs allowed only 31 points during the final seven games of the season on their way to eventually winning the Sugar Bowl and finishing third in the final national poll.
In 2003, VanGorder's defense ranked third nationally in scoring defense, fourth in total defense and sixth in passing defense. In turn, VanGorder received the Frank Boyles "Assistant Coach of the Year" award, which honors the nation's top assistant coach.[2]
During his final season at Georgia in 2004, the 10-2 Bulldogs were ranked seventh in the final national poll as VanGorder's defense finished the season ranked eighth and ninth in scoring defense.
During his Georgia tenure, six of VanGorder's players were selected in the first two rounds of the NFL Draft, including defensive tackle Jonathan Sullivan, safety Thomas Davis and defensive end David Pollack in the first round, and safety Sean Jones and line-backers Boss Bailey, as well as Odell Thurman in the second round.
[edit] Post Georgia coaching career
In 2005 VanGorder was hired as the Jacksonville Jaguars linebackers coach. He only served one year with the Jaguars before being hired as the head coach for the Georgia Southern Eagles on December 9, 2005.[3]
VanGorder's 3-8 record at Georgia Southern in 2006 followed a 8-4 record turned in by former Coach Mike Sewak. Despite a four year record of 35-14, Sewak was not retained as head coach after two successive years of failing to get past the first round of the 1-AA playoffs.
VanGorder saw five of his players from Georgia Southern earn All Southern Conference honors in his lone season as the Head Coach of the Eagles in 2006. However, with a team loaded with talent coming off an 8-3 record and a trip to the playoffs, he only managed a 3-8 record, ending with a 5 game losing streak to close out the season. He also made the decision to keep future Walter Payton award winner Jayson Foster on the sidelines for most of the season and limited his participation in the offense. This was the worst record in Georgia Southern's history since prior to World War II and the worst season in the modern era since the program's revival by Erk Russell. He quit after one year and joined the Atlanta Falcons as Linebackers Coach.
On December 19, 2007, Steve Spurrier's official website, www.spurrierhbc.com, reported that Vangorder was joining Spurrier's staff to become the new Defensive Coordinator for the University of South Carolina Fighting Gamecocks.
On January 24, 2008, VanGorder backed out of his commitment to South Carolina, and ESPN reported that Vangorder was joining new Atlanta Falcons Head Coach Mike Smith's staff as their defensive coordinator.[4]
VanGorder started his coaching career in 1981 as an assistant coach at West Bloomfield High School. He served as the head coach at three high schools in the state of Florida, posting a record of 52-16 and was named "Coach of the Year" on seven different occasions. VanGorder's 1987 American Heritage School team was ranked No. 1 in the state of Florida[1]. He joined the college ranks in 1989 at Grand Valley State University.
VanGorder had his first head coaching opportunity from 1992-94 at his alma mater, Wayne State University. During his final two seasons as Head Coach, Wayne State recorded its first winning record in more than a decade, going 6-5 in each season.He became head football coach at his alma mater, Wayne State University in 1992. After leaving Wayne State University in 1994, he coached at University of Central Florida and Central Michigan. From 1998-99, VanGorder served as the Defensive Coordinator at Central Michigan University, following a three-year stint at the University of Central Florida, where he spent two years coaching linebackers and special teams before being assigned to assistant head coach/defensive coordinator.
After Central Michigan, VanGorder was the Defensive Coordinator during the 2000 season at Western Illinois University. The Leathernecks ended the year 9-2, finishing eighth nationally in passing efficiency defense and 12th in both passing defense and total defense while allowing just 17.6 points per game.
[edit] University of Georgia
In 2001 he was hired as Defensive Coordinator and linebackers coach for the University of Georgia Bulldogs. During his first year as Defensive Coordinator at Georgia in 2001, the Bulldogs allowed just 18.9 points per game, ended up fifth in rushing defense and ranked 17th in scoring defense. For his coaching efforts, he was named the seventh recipient of the Valvoline Southern Sports Tonight "Assistant Coach of the Year".
The 2002 season saw VanGorder's defense not only lead the SEC in scoring defense, but finish fourth nationally. The Bulldogs allowed only 31 points during the final seven games of the season on their way to eventually winning the Sugar Bowl and finishing third in the final national poll.
In 2003, VanGorder's defense ranked third nationally in scoring defense, fourth in total defense and sixth in passing defense. In turn, VanGorder received the Frank Boyles "Assistant Coach of the Year" award, which honors the nation's top assistant coach.[2]
During his final season at Georgia in 2004, the 10-2 Bulldogs were ranked seventh in the final national poll as VanGorder's defense finished the season ranked eighth and ninth in scoring defense.
During his Georgia tenure, six of VanGorder's players were selected in the first two rounds of the NFL Draft, including defensive tackle Jonathan Sullivan, safety Thomas Davis and defensive end David Pollack in the first round, and safety Sean Jones and line-backers Boss Bailey, as well as Odell Thurman in the second round.
[edit] Post Georgia coaching career
In 2005 VanGorder was hired as the Jacksonville Jaguars linebackers coach. He only served one year with the Jaguars before being hired as the head coach for the Georgia Southern Eagles on December 9, 2005.[3]
VanGorder's 3-8 record at Georgia Southern in 2006 followed a 8-4 record turned in by former Coach Mike Sewak. Despite a four year record of 35-14, Sewak was not retained as head coach after two successive years of failing to get past the first round of the 1-AA playoffs.
VanGorder saw five of his players from Georgia Southern earn All Southern Conference honors in his lone season as the Head Coach of the Eagles in 2006. However, with a team loaded with talent coming off an 8-3 record and a trip to the playoffs, he only managed a 3-8 record, ending with a 5 game losing streak to close out the season. He also made the decision to keep future Walter Payton award winner Jayson Foster on the sidelines for most of the season and limited his participation in the offense. This was the worst record in Georgia Southern's history since prior to World War II and the worst season in the modern era since the program's revival by Erk Russell. He quit after one year and joined the Atlanta Falcons as Linebackers Coach.
On December 19, 2007, Steve Spurrier's official website, www.spurrierhbc.com, reported that Vangorder was joining Spurrier's staff to become the new Defensive Coordinator for the University of South Carolina Fighting Gamecocks.
On January 24, 2008, VanGorder backed out of his commitment to South Carolina, and ESPN reported that Vangorder was joining new Atlanta Falcons Head Coach Mike Smith's staff as their defensive coordinator.[4]
Posted on 11/23/08 at 6:30 pm to Curtiselwood
dude miles fricked up by not gameplanning for RP's departure RPs first year here at LSU
Posted on 11/23/08 at 6:31 pm to Curtiselwood
So basically, Miles hedged everything on Perrilloux. Are you serious? He was willing to sacrifice his defense (which has carried this team his entire tenure) to give his buddies a shot to train-on-the-job, because of Perrilloux? Really? Do you realize how idiotic that sounds?
Posted on 11/23/08 at 6:32 pm to Chicken
chicken the QB b/w RP and Lee was Alex Cate
our staff dropped the ball on him
now would he have made a difference? we don't know
our staff dropped the ball on him
now would he have made a difference? we don't know
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