- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Change my mind: The average American would be better off if Ukraine lost in the next month
Posted on 2/3/23 at 1:25 pm to sta4ever
Posted on 2/3/23 at 1:25 pm to sta4ever
quote:
NATO expansion to the east?
quote:
NATO was/is perceived as a threat to Russia by virtually every politician in Moscow's Federal Assembly. That's not a Putin thing. Before Putin, Yeltsin held the same belief.
Putin established NATO as a Russian adversary in 2000 when he asked NATO to incorporate Russia. NATO refused.
NATO is a military alliance. That's worth repeating. NATO is a military alliance. It was formed to oppose Russia and its Warsaw Pact. With no WP in the mix, and yet NATO not allowing Russian membership, Russians are not unreasonable to perceive NATO as a threat.
In WWII, Russia suffered nearly 70 times the casualties the US did --- 27M vs 400K. They'd have lost their country entirely if Germany had been able to launch its attack from Eastern Ukraine instead of Western Poland. Like it or not, Russians do not want a major adversary on their border.
1
Posted on 2/3/23 at 1:46 pm to NC_Tigah
NATO is already at the Russian border so I don’t think this has anything to do with “NATO aggression”.
You guys act like NATO has been militarily invading former USSR states since 1991 and that’s just not the case. The countries who have joined NATO since 1991 are choosing to do so, because they understand the threat Russia poses to Eastern Europe more than anybody else. Russia hasn’t changed a bit since the USSR collapsed. It’s still the same old BS in Moscow. I think NATO expansion to the East was the correct call. Nothing aggressive about it. NATO isn’t going to attack Russia. NATO isn’t forcing anyone to join them. No one is going to attack and try to invade Russia again. No one wants to do that and it’s a pretty hard thing to do anyways. The only country who has played the land grab game, been very aggressive towards others, and lying through their teeth on deals and other things, is Russia. You can’t trust them so NATO expansion is definitely warranted.
The NATO expansion threat perceived by Putin, is a smokescreen, and a way to try and get the Russian people to buy into the war. That’s all it is. You guys take Putin for his word way too much. It’s mind boggling actually.
You guys act like NATO has been militarily invading former USSR states since 1991 and that’s just not the case. The countries who have joined NATO since 1991 are choosing to do so, because they understand the threat Russia poses to Eastern Europe more than anybody else. Russia hasn’t changed a bit since the USSR collapsed. It’s still the same old BS in Moscow. I think NATO expansion to the East was the correct call. Nothing aggressive about it. NATO isn’t going to attack Russia. NATO isn’t forcing anyone to join them. No one is going to attack and try to invade Russia again. No one wants to do that and it’s a pretty hard thing to do anyways. The only country who has played the land grab game, been very aggressive towards others, and lying through their teeth on deals and other things, is Russia. You can’t trust them so NATO expansion is definitely warranted.
The NATO expansion threat perceived by Putin, is a smokescreen, and a way to try and get the Russian people to buy into the war. That’s all it is. You guys take Putin for his word way too much. It’s mind boggling actually.
Page 1 of 1
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News