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re: Change my mind: The average American would be better off if Ukraine lost in the next month
Posted on 2/3/23 at 11:43 am to burger bearcat
Posted on 2/3/23 at 11:43 am to burger bearcat
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Change my mind: The average American would be better off if Ukraine lost in the next month
You're correct!
Then maybe my tax money will stop going to them.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 11:44 am to doubleb
quote:Oh come on!
He’s challenged the west.
He challenged the west about like Tyre challenged the police.
"Hey Tyre, We're gonna handcuff you, then beat the sh*t out of you." "Oh! You ain't gonna let us cuff you? You're challenging us. Well we ain't got a choice except to beat you to death now. You shouldn't have challenged us."
The only difference is Tyre didn't have a mutual self-destruction button.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 11:53 am to Tmcgin
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never wanted to be average. Are you a settler in everything? Putin is losing this war because his army is led by corrupt crooks ....like Putin
I’ll settle when it comes to upsetting the apple cart over fricking Ukraine.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 12:40 pm to NC_Tigah
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I have, many times. As has he, for years and years.
NATO expansion to the east?
Posted on 2/3/23 at 1:08 pm to Mattmac920
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This is not a real war and hence there will be no winners. There’s a lot of losers. The Ukrainian people are being used as sacrificial lambs so zelensky can launder money and join nato.
That’s quite the conspiracy you came up with baw.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 1:25 pm to sta4ever
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NATO expansion to the east?
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NATO was/is perceived as a threat to Russia by virtually every politician in Moscow's Federal Assembly. That's not a Putin thing. Before Putin, Yeltsin held the same belief.
Putin established NATO as a Russian adversary in 2000 when he asked NATO to incorporate Russia. NATO refused.
NATO is a military alliance. That's worth repeating. NATO is a military alliance. It was formed to oppose Russia and its Warsaw Pact. With no WP in the mix, and yet NATO not allowing Russian membership, Russians are not unreasonable to perceive NATO as a threat.
In WWII, Russia suffered nearly 70 times the casualties the US did --- 27M vs 400K. They'd have lost their country entirely if Germany had been able to launch its attack from Eastern Ukraine instead of Western Poland. Like it or not, Russians do not want a major adversary on their border.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 1:46 pm to NC_Tigah
NATO is already at the Russian border so I don’t think this has anything to do with “NATO aggression”.
You guys act like NATO has been militarily invading former USSR states since 1991 and that’s just not the case. The countries who have joined NATO since 1991 are choosing to do so, because they understand the threat Russia poses to Eastern Europe more than anybody else. Russia hasn’t changed a bit since the USSR collapsed. It’s still the same old BS in Moscow. I think NATO expansion to the East was the correct call. Nothing aggressive about it. NATO isn’t going to attack Russia. NATO isn’t forcing anyone to join them. No one is going to attack and try to invade Russia again. No one wants to do that and it’s a pretty hard thing to do anyways. The only country who has played the land grab game, been very aggressive towards others, and lying through their teeth on deals and other things, is Russia. You can’t trust them so NATO expansion is definitely warranted.
The NATO expansion threat perceived by Putin, is a smokescreen, and a way to try and get the Russian people to buy into the war. That’s all it is. You guys take Putin for his word way too much. It’s mind boggling actually.
You guys act like NATO has been militarily invading former USSR states since 1991 and that’s just not the case. The countries who have joined NATO since 1991 are choosing to do so, because they understand the threat Russia poses to Eastern Europe more than anybody else. Russia hasn’t changed a bit since the USSR collapsed. It’s still the same old BS in Moscow. I think NATO expansion to the East was the correct call. Nothing aggressive about it. NATO isn’t going to attack Russia. NATO isn’t forcing anyone to join them. No one is going to attack and try to invade Russia again. No one wants to do that and it’s a pretty hard thing to do anyways. The only country who has played the land grab game, been very aggressive towards others, and lying through their teeth on deals and other things, is Russia. You can’t trust them so NATO expansion is definitely warranted.
The NATO expansion threat perceived by Putin, is a smokescreen, and a way to try and get the Russian people to buy into the war. That’s all it is. You guys take Putin for his word way too much. It’s mind boggling actually.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 1:51 pm to burger bearcat
Ukraine is asking for one 3rd of our navy in 4 aircraft carriers.
Has anyone made a meme about if you give a mouse a cookie yet? If not I will
Has anyone made a meme about if you give a mouse a cookie yet? If not I will
Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:32 pm to sta4ever
quote:Putin has addressed that, very effectively BTW. He has spoken repeatedly of NATO flying nuclear bombers within. 12mi of small sections shared NATO-Russian border during NATO War "Games." That requires a Russian response. Expanding the same threat to Russia's entire western border is unacceptable to Russia.
NATO is already at the Russian border
quote:Your feeder sources are doing you a huge disservice if they've left you under the impression that NATO is only perceived as a threat by Putin. The entirety of Russia's political and military class view NATO as a national security threat, as does the population.
The NATO expansion threat perceived by Putin
Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:47 pm to sta4ever
quote:Oh? Double super promise with sugar and a cherry on top? The last time NATO leaders gave their word to Russia, Bush41 and Baker assured Gorbachev and Shevardnadze that if they'd consent to a unified Germany remaining in NATO, NATO would not expand eastward. That was a baldfaced lie.
No one is going to attack and try to invade Russia again.
But yeah, the Russians should trust NATO now. Meanwhile, NATO brings nuclear bombers to continually buzz the Russian border. Nuclear bombers are an offensive weapon. Why would a "we'll-never-invade-Russia" NATO buzz Russia's border?
Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:56 pm to burger bearcat
Is that what they said about Czechoslovakia 38
Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:57 pm to burger bearcat
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1) We would no longer be pumping billions of dollars and technology into this conflict
Mostly old weapons paid for long ago and more an accounting procedure. We won't have to keep paying to keep them and decomission/destroy them. 40,000,000 rounds of artillery shells are set to be disposed of this year from an Obama directive. They aren't that old.
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2) The elites and political class would no longer have their laundering playground to enrich themselves and do whatever the hell else they are doing their (sex trafficking, bio labs, narcotics, etc)
See item 1
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3) Energy and food prices would improve, as they won't be disrupted by the activity in the region
The USA is exporting double what Russia was exporting than before Feb 24, 2022. Production is about to boom from 70,000 to 800,000 with highly desirable crude oil from Utah. Guyana will be exporting more oil than Russia ever did in two years, and double that within 5.
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4) Thousands or even millions of Ukrainian people would not continue to be needlessly killed all just to save face for Joe Biden and that midget troll wannabe Napolean in a green shirt
It was Ukrainians off the street, around 20,000, who showed up and forced Zelensky's hand as well as Biden's.
They want Russia out and gone. This is their choice. Freedom or Death.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 2:58 pm to thebigmuffaletta
Make me a sammich bitch
Posted on 2/3/23 at 7:48 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
quote:Bingo!
I say less, and the possibilty of Russia exposing that corruption is what US politicians cant allow to happen.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:19 pm to burger bearcat
Putin the Great is not going to win because Ukraine has the will to fight and the Russian Army does not.
Eastern Ukraine was repopulated with Russians after Stalin's genocide. Send them back where the belong.
Eastern Ukraine was repopulated with Russians after Stalin's genocide. Send them back where the belong.
Posted on 2/3/23 at 8:25 pm to burger bearcat
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average American
Have no power. Just like it always been in America, you are just along for the ride.
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