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Posted on 1/23/23 at 6:53 pm
Posted by MoneyTime
Member since Jan 2016
204 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 6:53 pm
What is considered reasonable trade value for Murray in a dynasty super flex?
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32699 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:20 pm to
Keeptradecut
Posted by MoneyTime
Member since Jan 2016
204 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:37 pm to
That is awfully low it feels like for him. It’s a hard player to assign value to
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
38849 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:52 pm to
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Keeptradecut


That site absolutely sucks based on actual value

If you really want to utilize it, take advantage of people who treat it as gospel
Posted by MoneyTime
Member since Jan 2016
204 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:57 pm to
Any other sites you use? I play in a 12 team league. I took over a team after someone left after 5 years. Trying to build from the ruins
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
38849 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 7:59 pm to
Post the roster
Posted by MoneyTime
Member since Jan 2016
204 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:06 pm to
Murray
Russell Wilson
Derek Carr
AJ Dillon
Fournette
R White
Foreman
Calvin Ridley
Hopkins
Godwin
Cooks
G Wilson
Kittles
Meuth

Those are the highlights
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
38849 posts
Posted on 1/23/23 at 8:38 pm to
I wouldn’t be selling Murray right now. His value will go up after you take the brunt of his injury absence

Godwin
Wilson
Kittle
Ridley
Hopkins
Dillion (not great, came on strong)

Your team is too good to flip, IMO. No one is trading 2023 picks from my experience.

Do you have any draft picks?

It sucks that your QBs are influx

You might have a good opportunity to trade for 2024 picks if you’re okay with kicking the can down the road.
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 8:39 pm
Posted by SoItGoes
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
1025 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 3:47 am to
Agree with Verm. What are the starters (QB 2RB 3WR TE 2FLEX SF?) and total roster size, is it standard 1PPR scoring, and do you have any picks?
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32699 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 6:02 am to
quote:

That is awfully low it feels like for him. It’s a hard player to assign value to

Seems accurate to me. He’s not worth more than a high 1st. He won’t play for half of next season roughly, potentially won’t be back to normal until 2024 season. Concerns around his franchise going into full rebuild mode and lacking weapons with Hopkins leaving. They aren’t getting Payton so his coach will be a toss up
Posted by VermilionTiger
Member since Dec 2012
38849 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

He’s not worth more than a high 1st.


He’s worth what someone will pay

Find me a late 1st rounder who is capable of scoring 25+ points a game

It doesn’t matter that he’s hurt for 2023. If you believe he’s going to play again and be a solid QB, I would need a top 6 pick.

Now, would I pay a top 6 pick? Hell no. I don’t want anything to do with Murray.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32699 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 5:59 pm to
Notice I said “he’s not worth MORE than a high 1st”. A high 1st would be fair value
Posted by SoItGoes
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
1025 posts
Posted on 1/24/23 at 6:32 pm to
I wouldn’t sell for a high first. He just had his worst season and still scored >22 PPG (6pt passing TDs). I don’t know how things get worse from Klingsbury.
Posted by VictoryHill
Watson, LA
Member since Nov 2013
3253 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:11 am to
quote:

I wouldn’t sell for a high first.

Neither me. I'd need an early 1st plus a bridge QB with QB2 upside like Mac Jones. It's Superflex.

I'm not trying to win the value Olympics, I'm trying to win dynasty titles.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32699 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 5:37 am to
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I don’t know how things get worse from Klingsbury.

Murray has been heavily reliant on success as a rusher and throwing to Hopkins. No longer has Hopkins, and his next offense could reduce his rushing load by design, to reduce health risks, or both

Plus in a true devils advocate position, you can make the argument that Kliff was hired to be the perfect HC for Kyler, and that pairing absolutely failed. We’re blaming Kliff right now, but we know there are some red flags with Kyler. History may come to tell that Kyler is much more at fault than we’re crediting

Edit: and again, you’re probably throwing away 2023 from Kyler. If you’re trying to win in 2023, that’s going to be a problem. You can say “this is dynasty, 1 year doesn’t matter” but more than half of teams are trying to compete for a ship every year and next year will be no different
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 5:42 am
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
32699 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 5:52 am to
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He just had his worst season and still scored >22 PPG (6pt passing TDs)

Looking at 4 pt passing TD since that format favors him as a rusher:
- Kyler finished 7th in PPG at QB. Good finish.
- he was 1.5 PPG behind Lamar at QB6
- he was 0.6 PPG ahead of Kirk Cousins, who finished QB13

Looking at 6 pt, I have him at 20.8 PPG. You might be looking at our points per 1st down league SoIt.
- Kyler finished 10th in PPG
- less than 1 PPG separates him and Danny Jones at QB15 (throwing out Sam Howell’s 1 game)

Are you throwing out his injury game? That could be our difference
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 5:53 am
Posted by SoItGoes
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
1025 posts
Posted on 1/25/23 at 7:24 pm to
I usually use 6 pt TDs, in 4 pt TDs Kyler has higher advantage over the field
Posted by SoItGoes
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
1025 posts
Posted on 1/27/23 at 5:55 am to
That’s it Upperdecker, total points divided by 10 games since he went out early in his 11th game.
Posted by CityMan
Member since Jul 2022
10 posts
Posted on 2/2/23 at 8:39 am to
You need to get an early to mid 1st in 2023 plus a midlevel QB or a 2024 1st.

This is superflex QBs ain't cheap
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